Medal Cheats

Medal Cheats

Surname: Jenkins
Christian Names: Peter Kevin
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland (Formerly SA)
City or Town: Maroochydore (Formerly Mackay)
Service #: Nil
Service: Nil
Branch: Nil
Commencement of service: N/A
Completion of service: N/A
Case Notes:

 

 UPDATE June 2018.

Peter Kevin JENKINS aka DOBSON aka Nathan CANE aka CAINE

Scruples are part of the fabric that hold our society together. Peter Kevin JENKINS has none, and the best place for him is his current residence at Casuarina Prison, Perth Western Australia. In his latest escapade this forty year old man has blamed his mother for his disgraceful criminal acts. Here is a newspaper report:


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We have been reporting this abominable man since 2014. During this time he has been in and out of prison, and has devoted his life to criminal self indulgence at the expense of vulnerable people. He does his dirty work on Internet Dating Websites.

He still .uses the ploy of heroic military service to win the confidence of susceptible, trusting ladies on dating sites. He has also claimed to be an Emergency Response Medical Doctor, an Australian Football League Team Doctor, and an Accountant.

Jenkins exhibits the traits of a pathological liar. He does not lie for self satisfaction alone, he lies to support his criminal activities. He is obviously a person of little intelligence as he is always caught out for his recidivist criminality. We believe that no amount of prison time will redeem this piece of canine excrement.

We are confident that after his current sojourn in Casuarina Prison, he will again succumb to the twisted traits of his personality, to be an ineffectual criminal, who has no qualms about destroying other peoples lives for his own selfish pursuits.

 

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CASE NOTES

We have on our web site numerous examples of men who make a career of "sponging" off vulnerable women. These pathetic examples of humanity always exhibit the symptoms of being pathological liars. Peter Kevin Jenkins of Maroochydore is such an excuse for a man.

National Australia Archives were unable to locate a Defence Service File for Peter Kevin Jenkins. We hold Statutory Declarations detailing Jenkins version of his military history.

Here is what Jenkins has to say:

He joined the Australian Army aged 18 years

Served in the Special Air Service (SAS)

Was shot four times and will show his scars to prove it

Served in Afghanistan, Timor and Papua New Guinea

Held suspected terrorists in a container terminal tortured them for 12 days then shot them in the back of the head.

Gets a War Pension of $2,800 a fortnight

He refuses to attend ANZAC day commemorations because although he served 18 years the Australian Defence Force did not care about him.

Around ANZAC Day in 2014 he was very depressed because of the things he had to do for his country.

Claims to possess "7 hand guns"

He has four war medals which he will readily exhibit and is booked to receive another at a medals presentation ceremony in Canberra in August 2014.


There are numerous examples of scurrilous dishonest wimps on this web site who seek free board and lodgings whilst claiming to be serving or ex serving Special Forces Servicemen, These mongrels falsely blame their tantrums and bad behaviour on the Psychological injuries received whilst involved in heroic Defence service, which is always of a secret nature, such as described by Jenkins when he "murdered prisoners of war".

We know that Jenkins has previously resided in the Mackay area of Queensland, and South Australia. We would appreciate information from others he has conned before moving to Maroochydore.

Peter Kevin Jenkins is the epitome of the exact opposite of how a genuine SAS Regiment soldier would act. He is without scruples, honour or human decency. From now on, whenever his name is typed into a search engine this truth about him will emerge.

We welcome Jenkins to our web site with the knowledge that this is the retribution wrought upon liars frauds and wannabes who infest the Australian and New Zealand Veteran Communities.

 

UPDATE Peter Kevin Jenkins aka Peter Kevin Cane

Since publishing our exposure of Jenkins we have received further information, including advice from a person who served with him during his military career. We now know that he did have a military career, although it was less than auspicious, very short, and served under his real name, which is Peter Kevin Cane born 9 March 1978.

5800672 Peter Kevin Cane aka Jenkins, enlisted into the Australian Regular Army on 4 September 1995 and was discharged 21 October 1995. The reason for his discharge was that he was "Not suited to be a soldier" Obviously the Enlistment Officer made an error when he approved Jenkins aka Cane's application to enlist.

There is no real shame in being discharged for the reason of being unsuitable, as not everybody is suited for the rigours of Army service. There is however monumental shame when a person falsely claims to have served heroically with the Special Air Service Regiment (SASR), when they failed Recruit Training, which is, in part, designed to cull out those who are not suited for military life.

Since our exposure of Jenkins he has written some murderous and lying emails. He fails to understand that he is the author of his current situation because of his lies and deceit. In the email below, he threatens the life of an ANZMI investigator and his family.

"Peter Jenkins 19 Jul 14

Hi xxxx,

I've lost my wife because of you, so i think it's only fitting that you lose something in return.
Now your website is only a vigilante website as i described before, so what is going to happen now i am and will take your life, weather (sic) it be by a slash to the throat or maybe i will take a valued member or your family, it seems to me that you seem it necessary to make assumptions in regards to members of the public with which you have no evidence against their affiliation in one way or another against the military. now i promise i will find you and i will make you pay, the only person i ever loved was my partner an you thought it was up too you to play god or whatever reason you thought that made you better then the rest of us humans.

Your time on this earth is coming to an end, in other words your life expectancy has narrowed.

I lost my wife because of you, so its only fitting you lose the same, Im not worried about the police, call me 0459438603, but your life expextency (sic) is very short"


The reason he "lost" his partner was because he had lied to her during the whole of their relationship. It is a common trait, for lying sponging "love rat" wannabes to live a life of complete fiction, with promises of riches to come, as long as their partners pay for everything.

Only pathological liars can get away with this behaviour and Jenkins aka Cane is a very model of an unrepentant Australian pathological liar.

Here is another example of his lying skills where he claims we have got it wrong:

We hold Statutory Declarations from people outside of his family who have provided evidence about his lies. He also states "If he done his homework he would have found my Service Record" We did our homework and no person with the name Jenkins had completed the Army service described by Jenkins aka Cane. He fails to mention that his Service Record is under a different name.

We have no doubt that Jenkins aka Cane will surface and re-offend in another location, perhaps under another name. We urge all persons concerned for the integrity of the Veterans and ex Service communities to keep watch for this disgusting individual

 

Update Peter Kevin Jenkins aka Peter Kevin Cane - 23 Oct 14

The rat has resurfaced and is still using his hackneyed modus operandi. He has departed Queensland and his area of operation is now Western Australia (WA). He appears to be working to the same script he used in Queensland. Here are reports from Perth WA about his latest activities.

Victim 1

"I was sucked into his lies about being in the special forces and his gun shot wounds stories. He told me so many lies and I felt totally degraded after I found out that he wasn't who he claimed to be. I met him off a dating site called Oasis and he had been to my house a few times. When we found out the truth he started threatening myself and my daughter. I reported him to the police and was considering a VRO but he backed off and hasn't contacted me in a while. I had him banned from Oasis as I emailed the site to tell them that he is a con man and fraud".

From family member of Victim 2

"He said he served at 3 Battalion Royal Australian Regiment then 2nd Commando Regiment then Special Air Service Regiment. He alleged he served for 17 years in the Army and went to Australian Defence Force Academy (ADFA), his father was military. His son is allegedly now at ADFA. He claims he did an exchange with US Army in Sacramento, California USA. He showed footage of a Channel Nine documentary he claims he appeared in, of course he could not be identified in the documentary. He mentioned he was shot four times, showed his wounds and he said he lost his mate, I believe the name to be Xxxx xxxxx. I couldn't find any such death. The date alleged was around 22 Sep 2012. His attitude seemed a bit too much bravado for an ex SASR soldier. He mentioned using a HKMP6, to which I couldn't find (hkmp5 and hkmp7 I could find) and claims it was a 9mm weapon. Used the names of places in Afghanistan, Tarin Kowt, Urozgan Province etc. Names of different aircraft used, and military vehicles. Yet some of the names used such as Bushmaster was referred to as Bushranger were a bit off.

Claims he started at ADFA as a lieutenant and reached rank of Captain. Dropped names, claims to know Corporal Ben Roberts-Smith. Offered to take me to the "kill house" in Swanbourne and observe the boys going through. Claims to own weapons and has a firearms licence."


ANZMI Investigators do not use profane language when writing up wannabes like Jenkins, but if we did, we would say that Jenkins is a Mongrel Bastard who has:

Threatened to kill an ANZMI Investigator and his family.
Threatened the family of one of his victims.
Threatened innocent people who have woken up to his lies and deceit.
Falsely claimed to have served as an elite soldier.
Falsely claimed to have been wounded in action.
Falsely claimed to be a Returned Veteran.

Jenkins has clearly committed a raft of offences. In particular against the Defence Act 1903, Part VII section 80A having falsely claimed to be a returned soldier. This offence is punishable by a maximum fine of $3.300 or six months imprisonment or both. The problem is, unlike other States, the WA Police will not even accept reports regarding this offence.'

Jenkins is the lowest of the low, he preys on vulnerable honest people who are genuinely looking for companionship. His swarthy appearance and his ability to lie without compunction make him a very dangerous and evil individual, who lacks the ability to attract a companion relying on his innate assets. He is a pathological liar, who when cornered will threaten violence.

We remind ex SASR members that Jenkins is sullying the impeccable reputation of the Regiment. We ask Veterans and ex Service persons all over Australia, and particularly in Western Australia to keep watch for Jenkins. Together we can keep up with his movements and "hound" him until he ceases his abominable behaviour.

Finally we say to Jenkins - "Go to hell because that is where you belong"
 
 

Update: Peter Kevin Jenkins aka Peter Kevin Cane – 22 Apr 15

 

Jenkins is back on duty in Brisbane.

His "mission" in Brisbane coincided with the latest Defence deployments to Iraq.  Jenkins told a very nice and genuine lady that he was resting before deployment to Iraq with Special Air Service Regiment (SASR).

His latest and disgusting heroic stories include being  shot four times in Afghanistan, resulting in the loss of one lung, and having a metal plate inserted into his chest.  His life was saved by the American Base Hospital in Germany where he was  recuperating for six months.

Despite his wounding and loss of body parts he is now  off to Iraq to fight against ISIS.

During his sojourn in Brisbane he stayed at a Brisbane Hotel and made it known that Defence was paying his account - Yeh and pigs can fly.

Jenkins arranges dates from Internet Dating Sites and being a naturally inadequate person has to adopt the persona of a battle hardened Army Veteran to charm a Lady.

In real life he is nothing but a frightened idiot who could not even cope with Army Recruit Training from which he was sacked after a couple of weeks for being "Not Suited to be a Soldier".

Before this latest "mission" he operated in Perth Western Australia and before that in the Sunshine Coast area of Queensland.

We will do all we can to have Police action taken against Jenkins for falsely claiming to be a Returned Veteran. 

Those who choose to use Internet Dating Sites should keep a watch for this liar, conman and pathological liar and let us know where he is operating

 

UPDATE 09 JULY 2015

BEWARE JENKINS IS NOW OPERATING UNDER THE NAME OF DOBSON.

Here is a new Facebook entry that he has created:

Since our last report he has been operating in the Eastern States.  It is believed he may have travelled  back to Western Australia, but at the moment could be anywhere.

Here is a recent report about him:

"From my understanding this creep pretends to be an ex-SASR soldier as well as a current St John's Ambulance MICA Paramedic so he can pray on young and vulnerable woman and girls. The latest information is that he is going by the name Peter Dobson, is residing in Queensland and is currently unemployed"

We previously detailed his activities in Brisbane and  can now report that prior to his arrival in Brisbane, he was in jail in Tamworth, New South Wales. Below is a Newspaper Report that shows Jenkins as being a small time criminal and a drunk rather than the debonair, swaggering Special Air Service Soldier that he would have people believe.

As detailed in the above newspaper report Jenkins has a criminal history in New South Wales, South Australia and Tasmania. Also in most Australian States he has trawled Dating Sites and told disgusting lies about himself.

Following our last update JENKINS (now known as DOBSON) wrote us another of his disgusting threatening emails:

We suggest that any person who has the displeasure of meeting or communicating with Jenkins aka Dobson report his presence to us and their nearest Police Station. We will continue to pursue him until he stops portraying himself as a returned wounded Veteran.  

 

UPDATE 11 NOV  2015 - JENKINS aka DOBSON aka NATHAN CANE

JENKINS IS STILL ON THE PROWL AND NOW USES THE NAME:  NATHAN CANE.

He is still "surfing" date websites seeking vulnerable ladies.

Have no doubt Jenkins  is a criminal, conman, liar and a wannabe.  He is back in Western Australia and continues trawling for "marks" on date websites.  Here are some of his latest false claims:

Notice that he says "Hate playing games??!!"  "Hate being told lies??!!"

They are interesting utterances, as Jenkins aka Cane is the king of games and deception and is a pathological liar.

He is not a "professional" does not have a "Bachelors Degree", does not speak Dutch

Beware of Jenkins aka Dobson aka Cane.

As a service to the community let us know if you have been, or currently are, a victim of Jenkins/Dobson/Cane

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
Surname: Caves
Christian Names: Denys
Country: New Zealand
State or Province: Hawkes Bay
City or Town: Wairoa
NZ -Which Island:
  • North Island
Service #: 354663
Service: Army
Branch: Territorials (part time)
Commencement of service: 1959
Completion of service: 1961
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE CAVES - August 2018

Denys Caves and his "mate" cannot accept that he is a medals cheat.

Caves belongs to the Wairoa Branch Royal New Zealand Returned Services Association (RSA). He is a local politician who is a "mate" of the President of the Wairoa RSA. He gains kudos from constituents who see he is a member of the Wairoa RSA and wears a medal on his left breast on ANZAC Day. Here is what the RSA President had to say:

"Name: Selwyn Lilley
Email: selroblil@hotmail.com
Where did you hear about us?: A Friend or colleague
Your message::
I am Selwyn Robert Lilley, President Wairoa Branch RNZRSA; with regard to the MISS REPORTING of Denys Caves, this man has every right to wear his medal as he did. The medal is a commemorative medal and as such can be worn on the right, or on the left, below official medals. Denys's service was short but however he has no official medals, campaign or service, so his wearing of the 150 year NZ Army commemorative medal was/is correct"

It is incongruous that an RSA President would support a person wearing an unofficial commemorative medal on the left breast on ANZAC Day,

Here is what the NZ RSA Headquarters said about the matter on 20 Jul 18.

"Team Administrator
Phone 04 384 7994
Anzac House, 181 Willis Street
PO Box 27248, Marion Square
Wellington 6141, New Zealand
www.rsa.org.nz

Short answer is NO.

The Left Breast is strictly for Medals awarded by the Government. Self purchased non official medals can only be warn on the right breast.

Check out medals.nzdf.mil.nz/

Cheers"

The RSA President Selwyn Robert Lilley served with the NZ Army in Vietnam but appears to be "blind" to a person like Caves who for photographic opportunities flaunts RSA and ANZAC traditions.

There is no place for medals cheats like Caves in an RSA and there is no place in the Veteran Community for RSA Presidents like Selwyn Robert Lilley.

The New Zealand Veteran community must not allow political aspirants or RSA Presidents to destroy protocol and tradition especially for self serving reasons.

 

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UPDATE CAVES  -  20 JULY 18

Denys Caves and his "mate" cannot accept that he is a medals cheat.

Caves belongs to the Wairoa Branch Royal New Zealand Returned Services Association (RSA).  He is a local politician who is a "mate" of the President of the Wairoa RSA.  He gains kudos from constituents who see  he is a member of the Wairoa RSA and wears a medal on his left breast on ANZAC Day.  Here is what the RSA President had to say:

 "Name: Selwyn Lilley

Email: selroblil@hotmail.com
Where did you hear about us?: A Friend or colleague
Your message:

I am Selwyn Robert Lilley, President Wairoa Branch RNZRSA; with regard to the MISS REPORTING of Denys Caves, this man has every right to wear his medal as he did. The medal is a commemorative medal and as such can be worn on the right, or on the left, below official medals. Denys's service was short but however he has no official medals, campaign or service, so his wearing of the 150 year NZ Army commemorative medal was/is correct"

It is incongruous that an RSA President would support a person wearing an unofficial commemorative medal on the left breast on ANZAC Day,

Here is what the NZ RSA Headquarters said about the matter:

"Team Administrator

Phone 04 384 7994

Anzac House, 181 Willis Street

PO Box 27248, Marion Square

Wellington 6141, New Zealand
www.rsa.org.nz

 

Short answer is NO.

The Left Breast is strictly for Medals awarded by the Government.  Self purchased non official medals can only be warn on the right breast

Check out http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/

 Cheers"

 

The RSA President Selwyn Robert Lilley served with the NZ Army in Vietnam but appears to be "blind" to a person like Caves who for photographic opportunities flaunts RSA and ANZAC traditions.

There is no place for medals cheats like Caves in an RSA and there is no place in the Veteran Community for RSA Presidents like Selwyn Robert Lilley.

The New Zealand Veteran community must not allow political aspirants or RSA Presidents  to destroy protocol and tradition especially for self serving reasons.

 

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Denys Caves JP is a regional politician and well known in his area of New Zealand.  As a high profile person he should know not to do anything that can be adjudged as illegal, or not in keeping with protocols and heritage.

 

Denys Caves

 

Caves wears on his right breast medals of deceased relatives from both WW1 and WW2.   On his left breast contrary to tradition he wears a self purchased tin medal.  It is New Zealand Army 150th Anniversary Medal.   Here it is:

 

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It is this one:

 

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This is not an official medal and therefore must not be worn on the left breast, where it can be mistaken as a Medal for Defence Service.  Caves did serve in the NZ Defence Force but did not complete sufficient service to make him eligible for an award.

For whatever reason Caves wears the 150 Year Anniversary Medal it is a mistake in judgment.   Genuine Veterans do not appreciate those who claim false honour.

It is said that any publicity is good publicity, but we think in this case that is not so.  Denys Caves, welcome to our website.

Surname: McLeod
Christian Names: Sydney Alexander
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland
City or Town: Wulguru
Service #: 1201143
Service: Army
Branch: Royal Australian Infantry
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE  MAY 2018

Sydney McLeod has vigorously responded to our website entry. 

 We write facts and it is up to the reader to decide whether the person is a Wannabe or a Medals Cheat or a rampant Conspiracy theorist.  McLeod responded to our report as follows inter alia:

As for my being well known ACTUALLY EXCEPT FOR THE NIGHT The CIA in command of an American Military Unit threatened me with extinction by 5.5s if I fired on passing enemy everything claimed was written by a well respected officer who did not even know me until 30 years later so gutless one with tract (sic)  that assumption. He was also the officer who confirmed the awards I WAS TO GET.

The above passage is relevant to our report as it indicates the state of mind of McLeod regarding his conspiracy theories.  Below is his rationale for wearing unauthorised foreign and fake tin medals


As for the Purple Heart Many Australians have them whether we should wear them or not is a mute (sic) point I asked the Americans and they took the view that even though NONE of us are on the PH roll they said we SHOULD WEAR THEM WITH PRIDE oh and by the way it was not an American Officer as far as I remember it was a 2 stripper (sic) clerk who brought them to our beds in the American Battle Casualty Ward. I even had a visit from an Australian Captain who assured me I could not possibly be who I said I was and would be investigated and charged, never heard from him again. Now I have been wearing the FLS (Front Line Service)  medal tin long before the later Australian Gongs I still wear it because it is and was a direct challenge to wankers who write this crap up. As for the last minis they are set up for display and is missing 2 Vietnamese ones which when I get them will go into the book this FRAUD WHOEVER HE MAY BE CAN READ ABOUT THE TRUTH OF COMMAND IN AUSTRALIA AND VIETNAM and the verifying officer. So the only SILLY individual is the IGNORANT AUTHOR OF THIS CRAP

Here is another passage from him

 THIS IS SLANDER AND AN INCORRECT OPINION AS I AM ONLY BACKING WHAT A WELL RESPECTED OFFICER HAS STATED AND PROOF IS PROVIDED. MY CONTRIBUTION IS ABOUT WHY I MUTINEED (sic) AND THE FACT I WAS NOT COURT MARTIALLED, THE NEW COMMANDER OF THE MAT WAS LIED TO ABOUT IT (didn't even know I existed after arriving the day after I left) AND THE FACT THAT A CIA AGENT TOOK COMMAND OF 89 MACV A MILITARY UNIT IS IN AUSTRALIAN VIETNAM WAR HISTORY. REMOVE IT OR I will get legal advice about this and the other charges against AHQ. And I would suggest you give the syphilitic harlot you used for this a smack around the chops. Oh and by the way you failed to mention I am not wearing MY ENTITLED UNIT CITATION WITH FEDERATION STAR for my part in 2nd Coral and both Balmorals. You got me on where I wear my PH and my FLS tin which I will continue to do so fuckwits like your abuser can expose themselves. To even mention the rack that I ""OWN"" and use in the book as an example is anexample what a slut you have reporting for you

We have said that McLeod is a Medals Cheat and a conspiracy theorist.  McLeod's response is proof that we have got it right.

MacLeod spent time deployed to Malaysia before being deployed to Vietnam for 756 days in an Infantry role.  We believe that the Army should carefully consider mental health issues, before committing soldiers to long term repetitive deployments to war zones. 

 

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Have no doubt, Sydney Alexander McLeod has served with distinction. He served two tours with a total of 756 days in Vietnam. All that time was spent as a combat soldier. His first tour in 1967 - 1968 was as a Private Soldier and his second tour 1970 -1971 was as a Sergeant.


Sydney Alexander McLeod



Notice the last two medals he wears are:

USA Purple Heart
Front line medal

The Purple Heart is not a medal authorised by the Governor General of Australia and must never be attached to his genuine rack of medals.

The Purple Heart was issued to USA service persons who were wounded in action. McLeod was wounded in action on the 22 January 1968 when the vehicle hit a mine at GR509546 South of Lo Gom. He was evacuated to a USA Military Hospital and claims whilst recovering in hospital was presented with the Purple Heart by a US Army Officer. Irrespective of how he acquired the Medal, protocol dictates that it must not be worn with Australian Defence or Federal medals on the left breast.


Sydney McLeod



The Front Line Medal is an unauthorised, unofficial, self purchased commemorative medal and must not be worn with Defence or Federal Medals.


Sydney McLeod



McLeod is well known in the Veteran community because of his rantings about how corrupt the Australian Army was in Vietnam. He is a silly conspiracy theorist and he is the corrupt one, due to his shenanigans to corrupt the Australian Honours and Awards system.

Below is another rack of medals that he owns. He has not been seen wearing this rack of medals and therefore has not committed any offence


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He would be entitled to wear seven of the twelve medals. Five of the medals are fanciful awards that he believes he should have been presented with. The Australian Government decides who wears what. It is people like McLeod who are chipping away at the integrity of the Australians Honours system.

Irrespective of his personal belief that he can wear whatever he likes, ANZMI will report him and his ilk wherever and whenever they offend.

Welcome to the website Sydney Alexander McLeod.

Surname: Meiers
Christian Names: William John
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland
City or Town: Wondai
Service #: 3174783
Service: CMF
Branch: Artillery
Commencement of service: 26/01/1965
Completion of service: 01/10/1971
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE  June 2018

Since publishing the report about William John Meiers of Wondai Queensland, we have received further information about his false claims to be a returned veteran.  Here is a clearer picture of him on ANZAC day 2018.

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More of his disgraceful lies have come to light.

 

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His stupidity is evidenced by his use of the term "Nam" instead of "Vietnam".  Genuine veterans never us the term "Nam".  He also claims to have been at Fire Support Base Coral,  where he fired at the enemy over "open sights at 100 yards". He was not there.

From a Facebook entry, Meiers talks about number  ‘6’ gun of 12 Field Regiment that featured in the Battle of Coral in Vietnam.  Meiers claims to have been there, but he wasn't.  He has written the word "books" in the second sentence, we assume he meant to write "gooks" which is another term never used in Vietnam. 

 

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Here is a shocker.  Meiers gives adoration to the Australian flag because he fought under it and his mates died under it.  He is lying sham of a man.

 

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Finally with great confidence in his deceit, he led the Wondai RSL Sub Branch in their ANZAC Day march. 

 

Meiers

 

Since publishing our first report we have heard nothing from Meiers.  He appears to be hiding, perhaps using the skills he learned in the jungles of Vietnam.  Be assured that glorying in the kudos of being a "Returned Soldier" may expand the ego,  but Australian and New Zealand Veterans will not tolerate the stealing of their honour. 

Those who do, and are caught out, will appear on this website, which has a tendency to deflate the largest of egos.

 

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CASE NOTES: 

William John Meiers was born on 14 April 1946 and is a "Life Subscriber" member of the Returned and Service League (RSL) in Wondai Qld. He transferred from Jimboomba Qld in 2010. On the transfer certificate, his Army Unit is listed as 15 Fd Regt (15 Field Regiment) and his Regimental number 3174782.



William Meiers

 

William Meiers



Meiers is wearing lots of buttons and badges as well as Vietnam service medals. His array is somewhat askew, as the medals are not in their proper order. In the photograph he has:

1. Australian Active Service Medal
2. Vietnam Medal
3. Commemoration of National Service Medal
4. Australian Defence Medal.

Medals 3 and 4 are in the wrong order. This is a bungle no genuine Returned Veteran would make. It is however, a blunder that a conniving Wannabe and Medal Cheat would do.

Because wannabes lack the experience of genuine Returned Veterans, they believe they can fool all the people all the time. Being photographed wearing false medals is not a good strategy, and it is a major factor in bringing these caitiffs to the justice of the Returned Veterans communities.

Fortunately, there are observant Returned Veterans at the Wondai RSL, who picked up on aspects of Meiers’ behaviour and his medals rack, indicating that he was not the full package.

Obviously Wondai has not succumbed to the general malaise throughout the RSL, where numbers seem to take precedence over integrity. The RSL membership requirements are being gradually eroded whereby inexperienced people are monitoring membership criterion. This decrepitude starts at the very top, where the National President of the RSL is not a Returned Veteran.

On 13th April 2018, Meiers sent an email to a genuine veteran detailing his involvement in the famous Vietnam Battle of Fire Support Base Coral on the 13th May 1968. Here is what he said:

Forwarded message

From: Bill Meiers <bill.meiers@y7mail.com>;
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Latest RSL News
To:

G'day xxxxxxxxx

Just got my RSL news and came across the story of Coral. Well, the first attack on Coral. It's not a long article, but it is the most accurate story of what happened that I have ever read. It is written by a bloke who was a junior officer at the time and was there at the front. We deployed on May 12, and were attacked at about 0215 - 0230 hrs on the 13th. I was the number 2 on number 4 gun.

I've read a number of stories about Coral, but they all have some problems when it comes to accuracy. It's great that a story is written by someone who was right there where it was happening. Read it if you get the chance.

See you on 25th.
Bill


Meiers is a liar. He was not “number 2 on number 4 gun”, he was not at Fire Support Base Coral, in Vietnam on the 13th May 1968 when 12 Field Regiment t fought gallantly against overwhelming odds and sustained casualties.

Meiers was approached and requested to show proof of his service. Here is his response:

Bill Meiers <bill.meiers@y7mail.com>
Sat, May 19, 2018 at 5:00 PM

Obviously, you haven't spoken to too many Vets suffering PTSD. These blokes, some of them, are still up in the trees, and many will never come down. Many have died up there. Don't fucking tell me that Vets have no problems telling you their bona fides.

Why am I wasting my time even responding to you? I have a good idea of who or what you are, but you haven't had the decency to let me in on the secret. Well xxxxxxxx, you go and do all your investigation and fucking leave me alone.

Bill


On 20 May he included his number name, rank and unit in an email to a researcher

“3174783
Meiers, WJ Bdr
15 Fd Regt, R Bty, RAA

You call yourself a researcher??? And you didn't even know that. Perhaps you did, and you are only trying to sucker me in. And yes, the PTSD is very real and has been for many years. And it is never going away. I live on my happy pills”.

Bill


The unit in which he claimed that he served, 15 Field Regiment was a Citizens Military Forces unit formed in Dandenong, Victoria, in 1962. The Unit then amalgamated with the 2 Fd Regt in 1975 and was redesignated as 2/15 Fd Regt. It was never deployed to Vietnam.

Notice in his reply, he infers that he is a Returned Veteran with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) because of his service. Playing that false card is disgraceful behaviour. Perhaps he has falsely convinced his friends and family of his "Vietnam caused PTSD".

The first stop in an investigation of this nature is the Department of Veterans Affairs, Nominal Roll of Vietnam Veterans. It is ninety nine percent accurate. Those not listed have requested that their names be removed. It is, however, easy to procure evidence of service through various Unit Associations and other historical documents. The reason for Meiers' non-listing is that he never served in Vietnam.


Meiers



We then sought information from 12 Field Regiment Association, the Artillery Unit that was actually present at Coral. Here is their response:
“The 12 Field Regiment maintains a Nominal Roll of all of our blokes who were on the ground at Coral. This includes all sub-units and attached units.
In the past, this roll has proven to be very accurate and has settled a lot of disputes, however I cannot categorically state that there are no omissions.
That said, there is no-one by the name of William Meiers (or any other reasonable version of this spelling) included on the Roll and I reckon it’s a 99% bet that he wasn’t at Coral with 12 Field Regiment and its attached units.”


On 22 May 2018 almost one month after his appearance at the Wondai RSL wearing false medals Meiers said the following –;


"From Bill Meiers
To: XX
I've thought long and hard about this and have delayed answering you as I've been to see my head doctor this morning, prearranged, nothing to do with our conversation.
My mental health is more important than anything else, and I have to control my anger and aggressiveness, along with my desire to fight everything. I'm sure you took note of my aggro in some of my responses.
So I am not prepared to go any further with this matter for those reasons and also I am not prepared to divulge private information. It is just not worth it.

So, Mr Ed, I will retire my jacket and medals to the wardrobe. I will not cause Wondai RSL, or any other RSL, any further consternation. Further, I will not darken their doorstep again, so avoiding any embarrassment to parties concerned.

I hope this is acceptable and the matter can rest.

Regards
Bill Meiers"



Although Meiers maintains his claim of being a Returned Veteran, there is no doubt he is a fraud. He never served with any unit in Vietnam and served only in Dandenong, Victoria with 15 Fd Regt. We believe this matter can be decided by a Magistrate and have taken steps to ensure that Meiers has an appointment at his local Court House.
We suggest that Meiers be told to pack his goods and chattels and “nick off” from Wondai RSL and any other RSL. However, we will award him full membership with honours on this website.

For every day he has pretended to be a Vietnam Veteran he will serve Ten years on this website

Surname: Harding aka Hynes
Christian Names: John Wayne
Country: New Zealand
State or Province: Manawtu, Wanganui
City or Town: Palmerston North
NZ -Which Island:
  • North Island
Service #: None
Service: Claims NZ Army with secondment to USA
Branch: SAS, SEALS
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE - June, 2018

John Wayne HARDING aka HYNES

We were unable to identify the second medal worn by Harding next to the Purple Heart.

It has now been recognised as the United States of America (USA) Distinguished Service Cross (DSC).

 

Harding6

 

The Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) is the second highest military award that can be given to a member of the United States Army, for extreme gallantry and risk of life in actual combat with an armed enemy force.

It is a gross insult for a "grubby" dishonest poser  like Harding to be wearing the US DSC.

Harding  is an example of the worst kind of liar, cheat and wannabe.

*** 

If academic degrees were given for mendacious, perfidious, deceitful prevarication, John Wayne Harding born 1 October 1947 aka Hynes would have a PhD.

He has to be a brilliant man to be able to keep up the dishonest charade that has baffled and entertained people in New Zealand (NZ) for many years. The problem for Harding is that any genuine veteran can pick him as a fake very quickly, because of what he says, what he wears and what he does. It is a wonder of NZ, why other veterans and ex service persons have not picked up his subterfuge over the many years he has been a fraud.

 

Harding1

 

Notice he is wearing the USA Purple Heart Medal which is presented to USA defence personnel,  who were wounded in action.  He also wears another unidentifiable US medal and ribbon.  On his left sleeve is the insignia of a US Air Borne Special Forces Ranger.  Then on his head he wears (badly) the maroon beret of  a US Ranger.  He also wears the rank of a USA Colonel and another unidentifiable badge on his epaulets.

 

Harding21

 

 

Here is the USA Colonel badge of rank he is wearing:

 

Harding31

 

According to Harding:

He joined the NZ Army, and he along with three other soldiers were seconded

to serve in the  USA Defence Force. 

He was employed in the USA Army in a drug detection unit with a dog named "Max".

He served in Vietnam with the "NZ Special Air Service (SAS) under Frank Rennie".   That must  have been between 1965 and December 1972.   (Frank Rennie was a famous NZ Soldier and does not deserve to be associated with Harding see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rennie)   

He was seconded as a body guard to President Reagan and " took a bullet"

for Reagan.   (That must have been in March 1981.)

Reagan gave him permission to become a US Navy SEAL  as a reward for "taking a bullet for him”. The Reagan shooting was on 30 March 1981.

He retired from the US Army with the rank of Colonel (Col) and uses that rank in his communications.  Here is an example where has written about his drug dog "Max"  He signed his name "Col John Wayne Harding US Army ( retired)"  The word "Col" is an abbreviation for "Colonel"

 

Harding4

 

He spent a lot of time on a Navajo reservation and can speak Navajo Indian and 25 other languages. (On occasions US Army used the Navajo language during WW2 instead of code).

He has a Psychology degree,

He is a qualified Pastor with the American Bible College,

Since returning to NZ after Thirty years in the  USA has worked with Drug Dog

detection (the same dog named Max that he had in the US),

Had guns taken from him by the NZ Police and is not allowed a gun licence because he had been  a US Navy SEAL,

Has a Social Welfare vehicle from NZ Government because of recommendation from US President Bush,

Has not applied for  War Pension from NZ as he does not want NZ Government to know about the USA war pension he receives through an Auckland Lawyer,

 

Is in constant pain due to all the shrapnel left in his body,

 

Has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and has to smoke Marijuana to relieve the symptoms,

 

Suffers from the effects of "Agent Orange" from Vietnam  (No Agent Orange was sprayed in Vietnam after 1970.  On 16 October 1971 he was married in Motueka NZ and was not in the NZ Army when he was married.)

 

It is of no surprise that Harding is not listed on the official NZ  Nominal Roll of those who served in Vietnam.  In addition we received this email:

 

-------- Original message --------

From:  xxxxxxxx

 Date: 11/01/2017 2:55 p.m. (GMT+12:00

Subject: RE: [Website feedback] Name Search John Hynes or John Wayne Harding   - DOB 1 Oct 1947 - unclassified

 

Happy New Year,
We do not normally respond to blind queries like this without knowing who needs this information.
However, so the Vietnam War List can be verified, we can confirm that there are NO listings for this combination of name and/or alternate with this DOB in the NZDF system.
As far as we can establish on the information provided, this man did not serve at any time in Vietnam with the New Zealand Armed Forces.

Cheers
xxxxxxxxx

 

It is on public records that:

He was married in NZ in 1971.

He was on the Western Hut Electoral Roll from 1979 to 1983.

Was Bankrupt in 1999 and again in 2004 also using name John Wayne Hynes.

He now resides in a NZ Government welfare house.  We hope his "Defence Service" and "PTSD" were not taken into account when allocating him this taxpayer subsidised house.

It is also well known that the US Defence Department do not "pluck" soldiers from New Zealand  and give them a career that included being a Secret Service Presidential body guard,  a Navy SEAL and being promoted to the rank of Colonel.

We have traced Harding back to 1971 when he was married aged 24.  According to his "stories" he would have been a serving soldier at that time, unfortunately his haircut does not match his vocation.

 

Harding5

 

Be careful  if you approach Harding because he is not averse to threats of violence, which he does to display his false "tough guy" past.  Harding  is not a tough guy, but just a bully, a lying fraud and wannabe.

ANZMI has exposed numerous NZ "Veteran" fakes, most have been taken to court for falsely claiming to be returned veterans and wearing false medals.  Harding is a fake and a liar and should be given the benefit of having a Magistrate decide his fate.

We welcome "Colonel" (Retired) John Wayne Harding to the fame of  his exposure on this website.

 

Surname: Hammal
Christian Names: Roque Charles
Country: Australia
State or Province: WA
City or Town: Perth
Service: Navy
Case Notes:

 

 

HAMMAL Update April, 2018.

Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Our old "China Plate" the big cheese Roque "China"  Hammal has been again reported to us as a recalcitrant wannabe.  Here is a recent photo of Hammal.

 

China Hammel

 

Our original report about Hammal was fifteen years ago and the above photo shows  he still wears the shonky medals that were reported at that time.  He also still relates ridiculous lies about his service.  Here is what he has written on a Facebook page:

 "I am only going to say this once ... do not believe everything you read from ANZMI as no one has the "Guts" to put their name at the bottom of the article.    You want to find out my true "Navy Service" go to the National Archives and search for my file that can be view publicly... search for my name " Roque Charles Hammal - Navy Offical Number - R106976 " you will find my all my Service Records ... make sure you look at all of them .... you will find the truth and nothing but the truth ... and notice my files are seal " Do Not Open " and what are open displayed to the public eyes are .. "expunged"... once again ... let us keep to the business of HELPING VETERANS".

 

The latest photo shows he stills wears eight medals. The last four on his rack  are fake.  It is also cogent that to earn the four legitimate medals,  "China" spent a total of less than Thirty Six hours in Vung Tau Harbour.  Instead of being satisfied with that over powering gesture by the Royal Australian Navy,  he decided to stick four more medals on his breast.

 

Hammal

 

The Department of Veterans Affairs Nominal Roll shows that he spent Seventeen Days in Vietnam,  but the RAN chose to include the number of days from original port departure, until return to final port.  In Hammal's case it was from Singapore and back to Singapore on HMAS Swan. With fifteen days in transit and less than two days in Vietnam.

 

Hammal

 

It seems that Hammal is quite content to live his whole life as a shameful lying wannabe.  At the time of our original report he richly deserved the truth of his actions and now after fifteen years he is still a persona non grata in the Veteran Community.  As long as he keeps up his charade of "behind the lines"  secret operations,  and wearing fake medals we will keep reporting his dishonesty.

 

***

Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Over the years he has obtained more medals to add to his official ‘rack’ of three but it is suggested that he did this not only in an attempt to further his ‘heroic’ war service but also to add credence to his far fetched stories.
 

 

Some wannabes claim that their records are "Secret",  have been "Sanitised" or have been "Destroyed" in an attempt to further their standing in the Veteran community.   Some records are classified Secret when it becomes a matter of National security. An Able-Seaman would not fall into this category.   Sanitised is a new ‘buzz-word’ among wannabes with the implication that should you gain access to a persons file then you will not be able to see the complete file. Records are never Destroyed. Some wannabes claim this has happened and at times attempt to provide bogus proof of this.  In conjunction with this the 30 year secrecy act for Viet Nam is over.

Sadly for wannabes and Roque Charles Hammal, the truth always wins in the end.

Roque Charles "China’ Hammal was born in the British colony of Hong Kong on 23 August 1952, of mixed race parentage. He enlisted in the Royal Australian Navy [RAN] in Sydney on 18 Oct 1969, for a period of 9 years and was allocated Service Number R106976.   At that time he was 17 years and 2 months old and served continuously in the Navy for a period of 12 years and 17 days when he requested his own discharge, which was granted on 4 Nov 81, with the rank of Petty Officer.

Since that date Hammal has concocted many stories regaling his service. He carried out this litany of half truths and fabrications to such a level whereby people he has duped have come out in support of his nefarious and spurious service and stated that they had examined Hammal's service records and supposed letters from government departments, that actually support his stories. How wrong they were.  See below.





Below are a series of photo’s taken at various times at official functions and parades.



Now compare these photo’s with Hammal’s true entitlement shown here.

Hammal made application for and was issued his Service Medals in the following order:

1.      Returned From Active Service Badge in 1991,

2.      Viet Nam Logistics Service Medal in 1993,

3.      Australian Active Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp: Viet Nam, in1997, and

4.      Australian Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp FESR, in 1997.

These are all he is entitled to wear.

In addition to his real entitlement Hammal wears the following authorised medal without being lawfully issued it and the following "tin"/commemorative medals:

Vietnamese Campaign Medal  - Instituted by the Government of the Republic of Viet Nam and awarded to Australians with the Queen's permission, for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters between 31 July 1962 and 27 January 1973. Service of a lesser period also qualified if brought to an end by death due to enemy action or by being wounded in action i.e. classified as a Battle Casualty. Lesser service terminated by "medical" evacuation to Australia (sickness etc.) did not qualify.  This medal is shown below.  The unlawful wearing of this medal now places him in the position of being charged under the new act and liable to a fine of $3300 and a maximum jail sentence of 6 months.

Navy Tin Medals such as the HMAS Sydney Medal -  A tin association medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

The Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal - A tin commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

Foreign Service Medal -  A tin  commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

 

If worn at all, these tin medals should be worn on the right breast, inline with awarded medals which are worn by the recipient on the left breast.

You will see from evidence produced below that ‘China’ Hammal’s real Viet Nam Service consisted of approximately 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on the HMAS Swan, a ship that did not anchor. An extract of evidence from  an AAT hearing on the activities of HMAS Swan in Vietnamese waters is shown below.



     

                               

For this service he is entitled to wear the Australian Active Service Medal (AASM) with Clasp Viet Nam and the Viet Nam Logistics Support Medal (VLSM)."   See the real entitlement to medals for China at the beginning of this page.

Some of Hammal's claims of Navy service:

Claim 1. Hammal has stated "Prior to my transfer from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in October 69 I had a short induction period in HMAS Penguin Diving School in February 69".  See below his own words.


               



Fact 1. Hammal has made the claim of transferring to the Royal Australian Navy from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in Oct 69. His records however show that he applied for enlistment in the RAN on 6 Aug 69 in Sydney, NSW and was enlisted on 18 Oct 69, where he declared on his enlistment papers, D.R.1, 89/69  that he had no prior Military service.
 

During his childhood ( 7 & 8 yrs old) he was billeted with his parents at HMS Tamar on Stonecutters Island (1959-60) which was the Royal Navy shore base in Hong Kong. This is confirmed on his Dept of Navy Personal Particulars Form CDO 4664 dated 12 Aug 69 shown here.


              



This would be the only contact he had with the RN. Also, on form DR1 (Application Form For Males for Enlistment) at para 10, "State highest education standard attained and name of school", he has answered "Form 5, King George Fifth School, 1969, Hong Kong.". This form dated 6 Aug 69 is shown here.

             



Claim 2. Also in the statement below he claims, "When HMAS Perth had her major refits in Sydney, I served in HMAS Parramatta during the fall of Saigon".

 

                                                 



Fact 2. From a search of posting records it is revealed that Hammal was posted to HMAS Parramatta on 17 Oct 73 until 5 May 74. The last time HMAS Parramatta was in Vung Tau harbour was on 22 May 71(for a period of 4 hrs 30mins). Saigon fell to North Viet Nam 4 years later on 30 Apr 75. This is another ridiculous and laughable claim.

Claim 3. Another from the same statement below by Hammal  is, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker". (The term "bubblie" is RAN parlance for a Clearance Diver as opposed to a ships diver) 

 

                                                  



Fact 3. Hammal’s records show that he commenced an ABCD (Able Seaman Clearance Diver) course at HMAS Penguin, a shore based facility at Pittwater in Sydney, on 3 Jan 71. He remained at HMAS Penguin until 1 March 71, a period of 8 weeks, then he was transferred to HMAS Cerberus, another shore based facility. The length of time required to successfully complete the ABCD course was 8 months for the 1971 course so one can see that Hammal failed the course and could never have served as a Clearance Diver (CD) in Viet Nam.

Claim 4. Further to the rest of Hammal's entertaining claims as shown below, comes the one where he states," After a short introduction to the RAN in HMAS Cerberus I had various duties and served in numerous ships including a period in HMS Danae during the Viet Nam campaign".

 

Fact 4. A search of HMS Danae’s (Royal Navy) crew listing (1967-71) does not show any person named Hammal. Another absurd claim easily disproved because the full crew listing may be found at [bookmark us first....this will take you away from the site] http://www.fullspeed.to/hmsdanaeand Hammal’s naval records do not show any posting or attachments to not only the RN but to HMS Danae from the RAN.

Claim 5.
In Claim 3 above it can be seen that Hammal has stated that, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker".

Fact 5.  Notice that Hammal has stated "3,088 days at sea" not in sea going ships but, days at sea. The claim of serving "3,088 days at sea" is simply another ludicrous claim. 3,088 days is 8 yrs and 5 mths out of a total of 12 yrs 17 days service.

This is a list of Hammal’s postings to sea going ships as copied from his official Navy records.

HMAS Anzac: 20 Apr 70 to 3 Jan 71 = 258 days.

HMAS Swan: 13 Aug 71 to 21 Jan 73 = 557 days.* #

HMAS Perth: 22 Jan 73 to 16 Oct 73 = 266 days.

HMAS Parramatta: 17 Oct 73 to 04 May 74 = 198 days.

HMAS Perth: 05 May 74 to 08 Feb 76 = 643 days.

HMAS Perth: 10 Jun 77 to 02 Dec 79 = 905 days.

Total = 2827 days on sea going ships.

* While posted to HMAS Swan, Hammal had, according to his leave record, a total of 90 days leave. Also during this period, according to the ships movements logs, the Swan spent 180 days in different ports. This means that out of 557 days on this sea going ship Hammal actually spent 287 days at sea.

# Also, it was in this period that Hammal did his one and only visit to Viet Nam.   HMAS Swan was allocated for service from 4 Oct 71 to 14 Oct 71 and accordingly departed Singapore on 4 Oct, met up with HMAS Sydney on 5 Oct, arrived and left Vung Tau on 6 Oct and arrived Manila on 14 Oct.

On both of HMAS Swan’s visits to Vung Tau, ships records indicate that the ship never anchored at any time thus making diving operations impossible. Evidence from an AAT hearing confirms this as shown below.


 

Claim 6. From Hammal’s local community newspaper, the Cockburn Gazette, dated  June 11 -  June 17, 2002 in an interview given, Hammal states, "China served in the Hong Kong Navy and the Australian Navy for more than 12 years which involved three years in the Viet Nam war."
 


 

Nowhere can it be found that Hammal refuted the above claims.

Fact 6. Claims of serving in Viet Nam for 3 years are simply ludicrous. The last RAN Escort ship in Vietnamese waters was the HMAS Vampire which departed the port of Vung Tau for Palau Tioman on 24 Nov 72.   Three years before this date ( 24 Nov 69) Hammal had just enlisted in the RAN.

Claim 7. From The West Australian newspaper dated 10 June 2002 in an article written by reporter Ben Ruse, Hammal made the statement that he, "trained as a diver in Hong Kong and went to Viet Nam with the Royal Australian Navy in 1969 at the age of 17."
 



Nowhere can it be found that Hammal has refuted this statement.

Fact 7. As can be seen in Fact 1 above, Hammal never enlisted in the RAN until 18 Oct 69. Taking into account the time required for him to complete his "rookies" course at HMAS Cerberusit is just farcical to claim he went to Viet Nam in 1969.

It is indeed a sad day when a sailor who has done so much for the Veteran community has to enhance his service far beyond what he infact did during service, as this now tarnishes everything he has done for that Veteran community and has also caused those within this community to rise against him and have the Order of Australia Medal that he was offered, quashed. Further to this Hammal had a sob story for the WA Sunday Times, dated 14th September 2003,  in which he continues to tell his lies in an endeavour to convince the public that he was worthy of the award.    See below,  you make the judgement.
 

To be a recipient of this medal, you must have a good standing in the community and a flawless record.   Non-disclosure of discrepancies can and does see the award rescinded.   This is unfortunate due to the outstanding work that Hammal has done within the community, but lies and deceit are not tolerated and the reward for this is removal of the medal as has been the case here.  Veterans were outraged at this award and took appropriate action to have it rescinded.   This is now going to create further expense for the Veteran community as this plaque below displaying OAM after Hammal’s name will have to be recast to reflect the truth. This is in Fremantle, Western Australia.

                                            

It has been alleged that  he didn’t fully understand the form and failed to disclose a matter of convictions from his past.  It is also alleged that because of his mixed race background he didn’t understand the wording of the applicable form for acceptance of the OAM.   This is refuted as he is a British subject who’s primary language is English and was at birth and has been the primary language used for approximately 34 years since arriving in Australia in 1969.

Over the past few years Veterans began to become aware of the tall stories that have emanated from Hammal and they began to check into his service record to obtain the truth.   Many Navy personnel approached CPMH for assistance here and we have worked quietly with the growing number of these Veterans who sought the truth.   It has taken a number of  years and with the assistance of all the Veterans involved we now have the truth as you see it here on these pages.

Hard copies of these records are now in our possession and these are what have been used to reflect the truth shown on these pages.

CPMH makes no apology for this entry on our pages and does not intend to pursue this into the depths of the welfare organisation that Hammal created in Western Australia, unless it is revealed that there are more untruths reported by Veterans that can do damage to the Veteran Community as a whole. This would then become a matter for other government departments and we would hand over any information that we uncovered and proved,  to the relevant authority for appropriate action.

China Hammal is a Veteran in his own right.  He has been awarded the medals as we stated above.  He has no entitlement to wear any other awards on his rack other than those we have indicated.  The Veteran Community of Western Australia should now make him aware of this and ensure that the “tin”and other illegal medals  that he wears are removed as they are an embarrassment to all genuine Veterans.   If Hammal is that gullible that he has to wear tin then they should be racked separately and worn on the right breast, well away from his awarded medals, so that the genuine people can have a quiet chuckle as he proudly displays them.

This applies to anyone who feels they have a need to wear tin.

If after being advised the protocol for wearing medals and awards he is still unsure then he should be directed to Ex Service Organisation sites where he can read the correct protocol for wearing medals after discharge………All people who wear tin would be well advised to do this as these “tin” medals are becoming an embarrassment to us all.

The Viet Nam Campaign Medal,  for 181 days "continuous Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters,  worn by Hammal has not been awarded to him.   The fines and punishments for fraudulently wearing decorations has just been amended in Parliament and penalties increased quite considerably.  Removal of this award is strongly recommended or appropriate action from the relevant authorities will be sought in the near future.
 

              
 

This photo is the latest taken -  30 Nov 2003

and so endeth the myth of the legendary service of this sailor. We can only hope that he wakes up to reality now, removes the un-awarded and tin medals he wears and continues his life as it should be, for it is these lies and his undeclared past, that has seen the awarding of the Order of Australia Medal rescinded.  A further conviction will be sought if the illegal medal is not removed.

 

Cheers China.........the beers are on us. 

There will no doubt be many comments passed on this site entry.  Please come back and visit again as we will post them all here for you to see......good and bad.  Your details will be recorded by CPMH but not displayed.  This section is to  allow you to  make your judgement on if we have been fair in exposing the truth.  This is the area where you can have your say......not our guest book.

THE CHINA HAMMAL COMMENTS SECTION
The comments below will only show which Military Service the person belonged to.

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
  Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 6:43 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: China & PERTH launch
G'day CPMH,
An excellent article on CPMH.  I noted that you have concentrated on the facts and have not bought up any information which could be labelled as "putting the knife in"  -  well done.

Once again, well done on an article which should not draw too many "brickbats" for being demeaning.  It is pure fact and that should be quite obvious to readers.

Regards and Happy New Year,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2003 9:16 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net 
Subject: China & PERTH launch
G'day Guys,
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.
 
Here's a snippet and prediction . . . . .
 
Tenix in Williamstown have just sent out lots of invitations to the launch of PERTH(3), happening on Saturday 20th March 2004.  Our dearest "friend" China would have received one, along wilt all PERTH Association members.
 
Here's my prediction . . . . .  I'd almost bet that China will accept the invitation, and if he does, he'll "demand" money from the ANVVWA ("his" welfare association) to cover the cost of airfares and accommodation for at least himself, and possibly his partner.  Reason to be given will be that since he is proposing to replicate the PERTH bells, the welfare association should pay for his attendance so he can personally make arrangements for the bell "donation".
Navy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 8:52 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: CHINA

fellas what can I say? After what seems years the XXX fool has been nailed to the wall.
 There is a God! You do realise that China will bleat his innocence to anyone that will listen.
 But he didn't reckon on the care factor. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
regards
Navy
 
PS I have taken the liberty to forward that article on to the number of ex-members of the RAN who had the misfortune to serve with the XXX lying XXXXX XXXX.
Can I ring a friend?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 4:05 AM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

China should remember that there are people out there whose memory of events are far better than his. His OAM citation should read Order of All-round Manipulator.  China has to realize that he has over the years upset a lot of people and being awarded the OAM was the straw that broke the camels back. Bullxxxx as much as you like, but do it quietly, and to yourself. That way the person you are talking too can believe the stories.

 
regards
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 20:30 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

Well the lies have been around for a long time and now we finally have the truth.  There are a lot in the west who will have egg on their face once they read this entry.  Well done CPMH.  All us "real" veterans applaud you for your efforts.  Do government departments read your site?  If they do they should gather the facts, compare it to what they have on record and then conduct their own investigations as there is a lot more to this "bubblie" than you have shown here.   Congratulations on getting his OAM removed too.  He is not a worthy recipient of this award and if he had it, it would only belittle all those who have it or receive it in the future.  It is now up to the veterans in WA to replace the plaque that displays his name with OAM after it..........the bill should be sent to China for its replacement.

Navy
NB:  CPMH were not responsible for the removal of the OAM award.  This was taken up by concerned Veterans who, under their own steam ensured that the truth was known concerning this award.   CPMH congratulates them for their concerns and attention to this matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 9:17 AM
To: CPMH (Wannabe's)
Subject: China
 
As the advert' says....."I don't know how he can live with himself"
Thankyou CPMH, you've done a sterling job, I can only hope someone takes the ***** to court.
Regards
Navy 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:45 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Roque (china) Hammal

To the instigator of this website.
I am very concerned that your organisation has taken it upon itself to "expose" persons who you claim to be not entitled to wear the medals or have not served their country in the manner which appears to be supported by the official records of the military system and D.V.A.
I am also very well aquainted with China and can vouch for his support of the veteran community in general. I believe that I would be dead or very incapable of looking after myself or anyone else if I had not received some very genuine assistance from China.
I realise that there are many people who do pretend to be what they are not. These are usually detected very quickly and do not need the national publicity of your website to deter them from offending further once discovered.
In fact, I feel very sorry for those that feel they need to act out a role to which they probably could never have belonged.
Your insistence that China wears medals to which he is not entitled is one which should be referred to the Commonwealth Police if you have genuine information that this is the case. You do not have the authority to libel anyone, regardless of the "crime" you think they may have commited. That is exactly what you are doing and your website and its various connections are being investigated further to establish what charges may be brought against you personally and anyone else found to be linked to your site.
It would appear that this attempt to villify various individuals may be connected to your own shortcomings. Perhaps you would care to make personal contact with me through my e-mail address, I will be happy to let you "investigate" me, but I assure you, that I will be doing the same for you and anyone connected with you.
I will be seeking further information about you and will refer all found to the appropriate authorities.
Yours very sincerely,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 8:48 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Cc:
Subject: China Hammal

 Another error in your drivel is that HMS Tamar is not on Stonecutters island it is situated on Hong Kong Island . Please print only correct facts - this includes the facts regarding the wearing of commemorative medals and the length of navy diving courses.
Navy

NB:....when one quotes facts one should check facts first.  http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/11/hong.kong/

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent:Thursday, 8 January 2004 5:26 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: China Hammal

 To those of you at CPMH who have put China Hammal's name up in lights on your websight, and "exposed" him for not being entitled to wear the Vietnam Campaign Medal, you may want to start thinking about how you are going to pay the defamation suit that I hope he brings against you.   The fact that not one of you have the guts to publicly state who you are, will not help you in the end.   You will be exposed for the world to see and there are those of us who will ensure that your names are spread around, just as you have spread China's name.    The difference between you and us, is that despite your so called criteria, we will do our homework properly and get it right before we name you.   In your report on how investigations are done you claim that in the case of real veterans, they are always given the chance to cease and desist before publication.   Just when did you contact China and give him this option?   You didn't, and he would not have done so in any case.   He doesn't have to prove anything to you anonymous cowards.  Like the gutless wonders you are, you went ahead and published this litany of lies without even following your own guidelines and checking the facts.

The people who have compiled the data on China have very conveniently changed things around to suit their own twisted ideas of what really transpired during his service in the RAN.   Had they bothered to check the Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (WA Inc) website, and clicked on to "Committee," they would have been able to read both his claims to wearing the Vietnam Campaign Medal and the OAM Story.    There is ample proof there that shows he has been investigated by the Department of Veterans Affairs, The Commonwealth Fraud Squad, and the Vietnam Veterans Association of  Australia WA Branch Inc, all of whom have verified his entiltlement to this medal.

You claim that the Vietnamese Campaign Medal was awarded with the Queen's permission for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Vietnam or adjacent waters.   If you had done your homework, you would have known that no Australian navy ship served in adjacent waters off the coast of Vietnam for 181 continuous days during the Vietnam conflict.  The four destroyers HMAS Perth, Hobart, Brisbane and Vendetta were deployed for periods in excess of six months from their home port of Sydney on their tours of duty,  but they did not serve continuously on the Gunline for 181 days at any time.   There must have been some other criteria for the awarding of this medal to RAN sailors.   We know what it was, why don't you?

As far as his  commemorative medals are concerned, there is no law which says he cannot wear them wherever he likes once he becomes a civilian.   Some ex service Associations have made their own rules about the wearing of these medals.    The Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association  (WA), of which China is the Honourable Chairman does not have any such regulations.   If he chooses to wear them for whatever reason, that is his business, and neither you nor any other association has the right to say he cannot wear them.   As someone already explained to you, despite your sarcastic remark of "yeah....right on," those of us who served on the logistic support ships, ie HMAS Sydney and her escorts, and were not real heros like yourselves had to fight for many years for recognition which was why some chose to wear commemorative medals.   Had you bothered to do your checking on that fact, you would have known that to be true.

The writer points out that China's real service in Vietnam consisted of 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on HMAS Swan, and produces a letter to back this up.   Unfortunately this letter never mentions anything about the Swan being in Vietnamese waters during this "Operation Awkward," which by the way was a common operational name given to many exercises during my 20 years in the RAN.   The letter mentions Thailand and Hong Kong but not Vietnam and gives no dates when this particular "Operation Awkward" took place.

China has never claimed that he was a clearance diver in the RAN.  He wore a cuff rate (badge) on his uniform to indicate that he was a ship's diver.   Under no circumstances would he have been able to wear this badge and perform diving duties if he was not qualified to do so.   As one of his Petty Officers on HMAS Perth in 1973, I distinctly remember that China was often required to perform diving duties (Bubblie) as opposed to Engineering duties (Stoker), and for that reason whilst on the Engineering Watchbill, most of his duties allowed him to be freed up quickly for diving duties if required.

Your writer disputes  China's claim that he served on HMS Danae for a period of time during the Vietnam conflict, and provides a website that lists the ships crew from 1967-71.   A check of this website reveals that it primarily concerns HMS Danae's first commission from 1967-69, when it returned to the UK, and lists the crew for that period of time.  It does not show any deployment details past October 2, 1969, which was before China enlisted in the RAN.   China could very well have been posted to HMS Danae on  temporary duties during his service and it would not necessarily show up in his Service Records.  Since you guys are so clever and have access to everything, it should be a simple matter for you to cross reference  HMS Danae's later deployments and those of the RAN ships China was on and see if you can match up anything.  You might just be surprised.   Many of these types of posting were logged only by confirmation signals between ships and  c.c.'d  to relevant authorities in Navy Office.   During my time on HMAS Perth in 1981, I did temporary exchange duties with USS Charles F Adams for about five days in the Indian Ocean.   This is not listed on my Service Records.   My service records also do not indicate that whilst serving at sea, I was hospitalised at HMAS Penguin for a week on two occasions.   This is confirmed by my medical records.

In China's claim that he served at sea for a period of time, your writer is clutching at straws by stating that he served on "sea going ships" as opposed to being "at sea."     In the RAN a person is posted either to shore or to sea.  That the ship may not be underway, does not diminish the fact that a person is classified as being "at sea."  by Navy Office.    A special payment called Hard Laying Allowance was paid to all sailors serving on ships irrespective of whether the ship was actually underway or sitting in dry dock, and an extra two weeks leave per year was granted to these sailors to compensate for the fact that they were at sea and living in abnormal conditions compared to their counterparts on shore based  postings.

China's service record indicates that he spent an extraordinary amount of time at sea from April 1970 until December 1979.   This is completely out of proportion to the normal sea/shore ratio for engineering sailors of his rank during that time, which was approximately two and a half years at sea followed by 18 months in a shore posting.   It appears that his only shore time was taken to allow him to do the necessary courses required for further training and promotion.   Perhaps your writer can explain this anomoly.

It has already been shown that just because a person was posted to a ship,  doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually on the ship for the full period of time without going elsewhere.   China joined the RAN  in October 1969,  Saigon fell in 1975.   China has stated he served for 12 years in the RAN, which involved 3 years in the Vietnam War.  He has also stated he was sent to HMAS Parramatta during HMAS Perth's refit in Sydney and was on that ship during the fall of Saigon.  Whilst Saigondid not actually fall until 1975, the writing was on the wall long before that time and the Americans had started a massive pull out.   HMAS Parramatta was in Asian waters during that time when the Americans started to pull out of Vietnam.  That is the period of time China refers to during his HMAS Parramatta sea service.    Simply because a particular ship that he was on was not actually in Vietnamese waters has no bearing on where China might have been at any time during his service career.    His claim is for 207 days in Vietnam.    If you had bothered to check the movements of the ships he served on from 1970 until his return to HMAS Perth in May 1974, you might have realised that most of the times these ships were in Asian waters.

Your writer conveniently supplied me with China's leave record for his period of 18 months service on HMAS Swan.    He states that China had 90 days leave.   RAN regulations would only have entitled him to 63 days for that length of time on a ship.    So how did he manage to get an extra 27 days?    Where was he, and when was this leave taken in relation to the ships movements?

Your claim that an Able Seaman (ie China) would never have records classified "Secret" and be destroyed are also false.   If you bothered to check the ANVVWA website there is a letter from the Department of Defence confirming that China's files namely, Postings/Transfers of Branch Files, Removals and Associated Allowances Files and Overseas Allowances Files were destroyed in 1990 and 1989 respectively.   Why would an Able Seaman have these files destroyed?   If there were nothing in these files that were not "Undicloseable," why were they destroyed?   China's  Service Rankings do not have any bearing on what he actually did or where he went at various times during his RAN career.    This is what you people have not and cannot establish.

You congratulate some Veterans for ensuring that China's OAM was rescinded.    It is a pity that these small minded people didn't clean up their own backyards first.   They live in glass houses, and shouldn't  throw stones.    China never asked for this award, and it was other Veterans who nominated him for it in the first place in appreciation for all he has done for the Veteran community, irrespective of which Service they served in..    He filled in the appropriate forms correctly and answered all questions asked of him honestly.    It is only a few senile old fools in other Associations, jealous of China's standing in the community, who are trying to bring him down.   This is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.   If they really are that upset about his name and OAM post nominals appearing on the plaque, then let them replace it at their cost.    The rest of us don't care.   If it wasn't for China's efforts, the Monument to RAN Personnel who served and lost their lives in Vietnam would not even be there.   He got off his arse and made it happen.

China's mates will stand by him, and like him, we don't give a toss about you, or the rest of the backstabbers.    You people have no right to set yourselves up as Judge, Jury and Executioners.   If you believe you are correct in your assassination of China's character, then I challange all of you responsible for compiling and publishing these accusations to at least have the intestinal fortitude to put your names to the accusations.   If you believe you have the proof, take it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate properly.

XXXXXX

Ex RAN

   7th March 2009

Hammal has had his TPI Special Rate reinstated – this is a scandalous affair and a sad day for the veteran community

 

Chairman of the Australian Naval Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (ANVVWA) Peter Denver has gleefully advised that China Hammal has had his TPI, Special Rate reinstated. Reinstatement has been verbally confirmed by the Department of Veterans Affairs and it is a sad day for truth, honesty and the integrity of Veterans everywhere. This is what Denver has written:

 

“Quite often I get asked how our Association founder is getting on these days. Those of you that know China Hammal are probably aware that there were people in the veteran community that did not like him, and complained to DVA that his status as a TPI was not based on service related conditions. These complaints resulted in DVA investigators coming to the conclusion that he was not entitled to his TPI pension, and subsequently took it off him.   As a result of these malicious complaints from other veterans, he had no money, had been advised he had to repay over $230,000 to DVA, was unable to work, was reduced to handouts from charitable organizations, and was often on the very edge of giving up the will to live.  

 

Those of us who knew the man, refused to accept the decision by the DVA investigators, and we stood along side him as mates.    We supported and assisted him financially to survive, helped him to get his VRB Appeal together, and he finally had his day at the VRB in January 2008.   

 

The VRB heard his appeal, and they accepted the evidence that China presented, that his claim was genuine.  This was the same evidence, that China had advised the DVA investigators was available if they would look at it during their investigation.   They did not do it.  China won his appeal and his TPI status was restored.   He received all the back pay that had been withheld.  DVA have not lodged an appeal against the decision handed down by the VRB.   What those people who call themselves veterans did to another veteran was unforgivable in my book.   They are not worthy of the title veteran.     The truth prevailed.  

 

Peter Denver

Chairman”

 

China Hammal was the founder of ANVVWA and was well known for his ability to “sell” pensions to his Pusser mates.  “Just sign the blank application, tell China on which ships you served and he would conjure up all kinds of trauma stressors to get you the TPI Special Rate, and of course there was the donation to ANVVWA for services rendered.” There are many smiling ex Pussers in the Perth WA area who benefited greatly, but dishonestly from China’s legerdemain.

After reading the original ANZMI reports on China you will understand that he was/is a thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled human being.

Before China was re-instated an article in the ANVVWA Newsletter was included, begging for funds to “Bring China Back to Perth for ANZAC Day 2009”. Here is the article:

                                                                    HELPING A MATE

Some of you may remember our Association founder  China Hammal, and may be aware of the disgusting inquisition that he had to endure at the hands of DVA investigators in which he lost his TPI status as a result of complaints that were made against him by other veterans in the community, who for reasons best known to themselves decided that he was not entitled to his TPI.   I am sure that those of you who know him are also aware that he won his case at the VRB, and his TPI was restored.  

Sadly there are still people out there who will not let it go, and they continue to hassle him about the medals he wears, which he believes he is entitled to wear, and which his detractors have never proved that he is not entitled to wear them.    This has upset him so much that he no longer participates in Remembrance Day, Vietnam Veterans Day, or ANZAC Day Services and the march in NSW where he now lives.

A motion was put forward at our last Association meeting that we try and get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009.   His financial situation is such that he cannot afford to pay his own way over here, as he is still trying to repay debts as a result of losing his TPI. It was agreed that we would try and raise the cost of his return airfare amongst ourselves.   As such we have started a private fund raiser in the office called "China Hammal – ANZAC Day 2009."    Please Note: No Association Funds will be used for this cause.

Anyone who would like to help us get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009 so he can be with his mates on this important day in the veteran community, can send a donation to our office either by cheque or money order made out to Peter Denver  our ANVVWA Chairman or Carole Matthews our ANVVWA Secretary.   Please include a note saying it is for "China Hammal - ANZAC Day 2009", and not a donation to our Association.  You will be issued with a receipt provided you include your return address, and the money will be kept in a private safe until we have sufficient to purchase his return airfare.   Any money left over after purchasing his plane ticket, from the donations received will be given to China as a gift from his mates to help him out financially.   In the event that this falls through, and he does not come over, you will be given a refund of your donation less any postage costs etc.   Further details including amount raised, when and where you can catch up with him will be detailed in the March 2009 Newsletter.

China helped a lot of people out there, and I'm sure that some of you would like to catch up with him again

China Hammal and the ANVVWA must have a filing cabinet full of information about bogus DVA claims lodged from Hammal and his mates. It is guaranteed that there are many nervous Pussers from the area who would show great generosity and donate to China to keep him quiet.  

We urge honest veterans to express their dismay at the words and actions of Chairman Peter Denver and this ex RAN Welfare Association and also suggest to DVA, that during their idle time they recheck any DVA benefits claims handled by China Hammal and his mates. Once you know what to look for you may find many anomalies and make some smiles disappear from ANVVWA members.

Like in the ANZMI case of Joe Brain (see here http://www.anzmi.net/brain/brain.html ) another crook walks away from DVA laughing. 

It is time the Australian Federal Police extended their bailiwick to include cases of DVA fraud. It is a simple fact that the current investigation section of DVA lack the expertise to bring to justice the clever major players involved in DVA fraud.

We are reliably advised that a major ESO commanded from Western Australia was well aware of the nature of China’s operation of ANVVWA, however the potential for membership from the efforts of Hammal and his mob was obviously more important to them than honesty and ethics.  Those who have knowledge about this issue are advised to come forward and advise either ANZMI at information@anzmi.net or  DVA. 

DVA are urged to take action to appeal the Hammal VRB decision and again take away that which he has fraudulently gained.

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

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