Caves

Date of Entry: 20/07/2018
Surname: Caves
Christian Names: Denys
Country: New Zealand
State or Province: Hawkes Bay
City or Town: Wairoa
NZ -Which Island:
  • North Island
Service #: 354663
Service: Army
Branch: Territorials (part time)
Commencement of service: 1959
Completion of service: 1961
Case Notes:

 

UPDATE CAVES - August 2018

Denys Caves and his "mate" cannot accept that he is a medals cheat.

Caves belongs to the Wairoa Branch Royal New Zealand Returned Services Association (RSA). He is a local politician who is a "mate" of the President of the Wairoa RSA. He gains kudos from constituents who see he is a member of the Wairoa RSA and wears a medal on his left breast on ANZAC Day. Here is what the RSA President had to say:

"Name: Selwyn Lilley
Email: selroblil@hotmail.com
Where did you hear about us?: A Friend or colleague
Your message::
I am Selwyn Robert Lilley, President Wairoa Branch RNZRSA; with regard to the MISS REPORTING of Denys Caves, this man has every right to wear his medal as he did. The medal is a commemorative medal and as such can be worn on the right, or on the left, below official medals. Denys's service was short but however he has no official medals, campaign or service, so his wearing of the 150 year NZ Army commemorative medal was/is correct"

It is incongruous that an RSA President would support a person wearing an unofficial commemorative medal on the left breast on ANZAC Day,

Here is what the NZ RSA Headquarters said about the matter on 20 Jul 18.

"Team Administrator
Phone 04 384 7994
Anzac House, 181 Willis Street
PO Box 27248, Marion Square
Wellington 6141, New Zealand
www.rsa.org.nz

Short answer is NO.

The Left Breast is strictly for Medals awarded by the Government. Self purchased non official medals can only be warn on the right breast.

Check out medals.nzdf.mil.nz/

Cheers"

The RSA President Selwyn Robert Lilley served with the NZ Army in Vietnam but appears to be "blind" to a person like Caves who for photographic opportunities flaunts RSA and ANZAC traditions.

There is no place for medals cheats like Caves in an RSA and there is no place in the Veteran Community for RSA Presidents like Selwyn Robert Lilley.

The New Zealand Veteran community must not allow political aspirants or RSA Presidents to destroy protocol and tradition especially for self serving reasons.

 

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UPDATE CAVES  -  20 JULY 18

Denys Caves and his "mate" cannot accept that he is a medals cheat.

Caves belongs to the Wairoa Branch Royal New Zealand Returned Services Association (RSA).  He is a local politician who is a "mate" of the President of the Wairoa RSA.  He gains kudos from constituents who see  he is a member of the Wairoa RSA and wears a medal on his left breast on ANZAC Day.  Here is what the RSA President had to say:

 "Name: Selwyn Lilley

Email: selroblil@hotmail.com
Where did you hear about us?: A Friend or colleague
Your message:

I am Selwyn Robert Lilley, President Wairoa Branch RNZRSA; with regard to the MISS REPORTING of Denys Caves, this man has every right to wear his medal as he did. The medal is a commemorative medal and as such can be worn on the right, or on the left, below official medals. Denys's service was short but however he has no official medals, campaign or service, so his wearing of the 150 year NZ Army commemorative medal was/is correct"

It is incongruous that an RSA President would support a person wearing an unofficial commemorative medal on the left breast on ANZAC Day,

Here is what the NZ RSA Headquarters said about the matter:

"Team Administrator

Phone 04 384 7994

Anzac House, 181 Willis Street

PO Box 27248, Marion Square

Wellington 6141, New Zealand
www.rsa.org.nz

 

Short answer is NO.

The Left Breast is strictly for Medals awarded by the Government.  Self purchased non official medals can only be warn on the right breast

Check out http://medals.nzdf.mil.nz/

 Cheers"

 

The RSA President Selwyn Robert Lilley served with the NZ Army in Vietnam but appears to be "blind" to a person like Caves who for photographic opportunities flaunts RSA and ANZAC traditions.

There is no place for medals cheats like Caves in an RSA and there is no place in the Veteran Community for RSA Presidents like Selwyn Robert Lilley.

The New Zealand Veteran community must not allow political aspirants or RSA Presidents  to destroy protocol and tradition especially for self serving reasons.

 

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Denys Caves JP is a regional politician and well known in his area of New Zealand.  As a high profile person he should know not to do anything that can be adjudged as illegal, or not in keeping with protocols and heritage.

 

Denys Caves

 

Caves wears on his right breast medals of deceased relatives from both WW1 and WW2.   On his left breast contrary to tradition he wears a self purchased tin medal.  It is New Zealand Army 150th Anniversary Medal.   Here it is:

 

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It is this one:

 

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This is not an official medal and therefore must not be worn on the left breast, where it can be mistaken as a Medal for Defence Service.  Caves did serve in the NZ Defence Force but did not complete sufficient service to make him eligible for an award.

For whatever reason Caves wears the 150 Year Anniversary Medal it is a mistake in judgment.   Genuine Veterans do not appreciate those who claim false honour.

It is said that any publicity is good publicity, but we think in this case that is not so.  Denys Caves, welcome to our website.

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