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Surname: Musgrave
Christian Names: Ken J
Country: Australia
State or Province: WA
City or Town: Perth
Case Notes:

 

 

Ken J Musgrave

They have experienced too many shared emotional confidences and it is the Australian Diggers' way to stick to your mates, sharing whatever troubles they face together.  They tried to believe the information about their friend must be wrong, but doubts are insidious and so the Veterans turned to those they thought would be in a position to help them solve the riddle of Ken J Musgrave's Vietnam Service. 



 


Ken J Musgrave - Service Number 180707 told many convincing stories of his experiences while serving in Vietnam.  He wore Vietnam Ribbons on his leather jacket, with an Infantry Combat Badge and a Returned From Active Service Badge.  He frequently wore a baseball cap with the Vietnam Veterans' logo and his car carried Vietnam Veteran stickers.

                                                           



Musgrave rode with the Vietnam Veterans' Motorcycle Chapter in Western Australia.  He did not wear Club 'Colors', claiming he only wanted to be a social member.  One ex-member of the Vietnam Veterans' Motorcycle Chapter who rode with the Chapter at the same time as Musgrave, described how he had to produce his Discharge Certificate as proof of his service, even though he served in Vietnam as an Infantryman with the now Chapter President.  In retrospect, he now surmises that Musgrave preferred to be a 'social' member because he was unable to present evidence of his service in Vietnam to gain full membership of the Chapter.

ANZMI commends the Vietnam Veterans' Motorcycle Chapter in W.A. for taking strong action to prevent their ranks from being contaminated by wannabes.  An example we wish all Ex-Service Organisations and groups would follow, to stamp out parasites like Musgrave.  It is only the slack inaction of some ESO Executives that allows wannabes to prosper, at the expense of the honour of those servicemen and women who have paid the ultimate sacrifice in combat or died since they served.  Their memories deserve to be honoured for all time, not dragged through the gutter by gutless individuals who seek glory and influence in their name.

Although Musgrave told many stories of his service in Vietnam to the members of the Vietnam Veterans' Motorcycle Chapter, one stands supreme.   He almost reduced his mates to tears when describing his heroism, relating how he accidentally fell 200 feet from a chopper while rappelling over the canopy in hostile country, and then waiting two nights to be rescued.  He told his mates that after being rescued, he was taken to Singapore for medical treatment and rehabilitation and then returned to active service in Vietnam to complete his tour of duty.  He displayed his DVA Gold Card as evidence of the permanent disability caused by this accident.

Musgrave's mate witnessed many horrific nightmares when, while shaking profusely he pretended he was being ambushed, screaming "incoming".......and yelling to his mates to "keep your heads down".

Musgrave also demonstrated to his mates, acquaintances and family, serious anger problems and a dysfunctional way of dealing with life's issues, blaming his behaviour on PTSD, that he claimed he suffered as a result of his Vietnam service.  Musgrave's persona is that of "the tough bikie with no morals, who doesn't give a sh.. what anyone else thinks".

Musgrave's life as a 'war hero' and emotional parasite, feeding on his friends' compassion and support, started to unravel on Anzac Day 2007 at Nollamara RSL.  Several members of the VV Motorcycle Chapter questioned his friends about Musgrave's claimed Vietnam Service.  His name did not appear on the Vietnam Nominal Roll, so his friends contacted the WA Branch of the Vietnam Veterans' Association of Australia, believing that they could clear up the issue of Musgrave's claimed Vietnam Service, believing that the lack of mention in the Nominal Roll must be an oversight as he was a mate.

After much soul searching, Musgrave's friend approached him in September 2007 and asked him to produce evidence of his Vietnam Service.

Musgrave refused to discuss the matter and threw his "mates" out of his life.  An unpardonable act when the mates had been so close to him for some years.  Even then, his friends could not believe that an ex-serviceman who had experienced the camaraderie of service life and understood the true meaning of "mateship", as only Diggers can, could be so low as to live the lie so thoroughly.  There must be some other explanation, perhaps his mental state, his PTSD, his nightmares of Vietnam, his war caused injuries?

This is where the story takes an unexpected nosedive.  The friends who contacted the VVAA in Western Australia have recorded the flow of correspondence between themselves and the WA Branch of the VVAA.  The timeline of that correspondence, and comments by the Vietnam Veterans who sought help. are as follows:-

14-6-07          Statutory Declarations and photographs sent to Peter Ramsay VVAA

2-10-07          Reply from VVAA - "looking into it"

15-10-07        Change of leadership of VVAA - Jason O'Dowd at the helm

20-11-07        Notified that O'Dowd will be looking into Musgrave

11-1-08          Letter sent to Musgrave by O'Dowd which stated:-

Mr Musgrave,

It has come to the attention of the Vietnam Veterans Association of Australia
evidence in the form of three Statutory Declarations and photographic evidence alleging that you are portraying yourself as a Vietnam Veteran.

Should the information at hand be incorrect, please advise.

The Association has forwarded this information to the relevant authorities.

Signed:  Jason O'Dowd

              State President

7-2-08          Richard Williams is now VVAA head honcho - he describes O'Dowd as "slack" and advises that the Stat Decs and photos that have been forwarded to VVAA by the Vets have been lost.

9-2-08          Request from VVAA for replacement Stat Decs and photos

16-5-08        VVAA requests photos, address and more info about Musgrave - Richard Williams in contact with Australian Federal Police.

30-6-08        Notified that Stat Decs still missing

3-7-08          Notified that O'Dowd had really stuffed things up and that the Stat Decs are still missing

16-10-08      O'Dowd has found the missing documents and Richard Williams is handing them to Australian Federal Police

18-11-08      Statutory Declarations hand delivered to Australian Federal Police by Richard Williams

When Richard Williams advised the Vietnam Veterans that he had hand delivered the Stat Decs to the AFP, he also offered the following (encouragement ????):-

While it is an important issue to us, in terms of national security etc, it is a low priority to the AFP.  It doesn't have official status but XXXX is following up on it, a spare time job when he can combine it with other inquiries.

His advice is, if we can provide any further upto (sic) date info ie, photo's, statements etc, showing that the offenders are still acting as "wannabee's". (sic)



So..........what can we glean from the preceding records of events.

An emotive and divisive and dishonourable issue concerning Veterans is a low priority with the Australian Federal Police.  Offences against the Commonwealth are a low priority and have no official status!!!!!!!!!  John 11:35

If the offenders are no longer committing crimes, there is no need for further Police action? (All criminals stand in line and sign the pledge, then you can go free!!!!!)

A part of the duties of Australian Federal Police is to guard our Federal Government Offices, "checking passes and kicking arses" if I correctly recall my trips off base back in the Dreamtime, and from the information above, that would seem to be the limit of their capability.      

Politicians can change the priority that the AFP gives to offences committed by the Musgraves polluting our society..  Aren't they always telling us how important it is to respect the memory of Veterans and describing how much our Nation owes it's Veterans?  Not that long ago the Politicians enacted Legislation to increase the fines for the same offences committed by Musgrave, to over $3000.00 and six months gaol.  The Politicians told us they would stamp out wannabes like Musgrave and allow no dishonour to be visited on the sacred memory of our fallen comrades.  The Veteran Community is waiting.................

The truth is that for issues that are important to Veterans and Peacekeepers, Politicians have the same attitude as Musgrave..............they "don't give a sh.."

A key lobby group, (so they tell us) the VVAA, who supposedly advise the Government on Veterans' issues, needed seventeen months to pass information to the Australian Federal Police.  No wonder the Politicians don't give a sh.., when it seems a key lobbyist, the WA Branch of the VVAA, shows that little interest in helping some Vietnam Vets when they seek assistance.

Along the way during the purgatory the Vietnam Veterans were going through while waiting to get information or action from the various ESO's and Government Departments they had contacted, they took a chance with ANZMI.

Although there were hiccups along the way as the ANZMI Investigator stumbled occasionally while dealing with Government Departments who don't seem to understand that the second half of their job classification is meant to describe what the public expects them to perform, the truth began to emerge.

National Archives of Australia confirmed Musgrave's military service and Regimental number, but that service was well after the cessation of hostilities in Vietnam.  Musgrave's service taught him to "talk the talk", but there were no Warlike actions involving Infantry troops during his period of service.  Therefore the Returned from Active Service Badge and the Infantry Combat Badge that he wore on numerous occasions, including Anzac Day ceremonies, and at Bruce Rock Vietnam Veterans Memorial Service in 2006, are further slurs he committed on the Veteran Community.

The real Vietnam Veterans described a great weight being lifted from them, and they were greatly relieved to finally know the truth.  They were very disappointed that Musgrave was proved a lying wannabe, but relieved of the pain they had been experiencing because of Musgrave deceiving them with his lies and totally destroying their trust and leaving them unable to cope with their emotions. 

Being an ex-serviceman, Musgrave was accorded the courtesy of a letter from ANZMI, offering him an opportunity to defend his honour, or, to make an apology to those he had betrayed, rather than immediately being shamed on the ANZMI website without notice.

Musgrave replied to ANZMI, confessing to deceiving the Vietnam Veterans and their families and offering his sincere apology.

I Ken Musgrave wish to apologise to the Vietnam Veterans and their famlies for deceiving them, in know way did I intend to dishonour those who fought or died.
The reason for my dishonesty was because I was going through an extremely difficult time and needing help. I thought the Vietnam Veterans Ass. where the only ones able to help and believed you had to be a Vietnam Veteran to receive help.
Then when I received help, support and understanding from the Vietnam Veterans and their families, I found I was in a situation that I could not see away out of.  This dilemma has been eating me away and hoping there was some way of resolving it.
I have distanced myself from all veteran communities because of th remorse I feel.
I never intended to hurt or dishonour anyone and are very sorry for my actions and hope my sincere apology is accepted by the Vietnam Veterans community.
I would like to thank the Vietnam Veterans community for there support and understanding when not many other could

My sincere apologies
Ken Musgrave


The Veterans affected by his betrayal of friendship could not accept the apology.  They described the apology as "stomach turning" and further stated that as they knew Musgrave so well, they believed there was not a scrap of remorse attached to the apology.  They further informed ANZMI that Musgrave has had many opportunities to make an apology and added that as Musgrave has had military service and should know and understand the values that ex-servicemen and women hold sacred, his crimes were manifestly greater and he should be made accountable for his total lack of respect and feeling toward the Vietnam Veteran Community.
 
Musgrave has been described as a bloke who "doesn't give a s...", and the persona he portrays is that of a "tough bikie being a law unto himself".  He deserves no respect or forgiveness by Veterans.

This tale relates the true situation that wannabes create in any community.  Those who believe that wannabes' do no harm, should carefully read this case and many others on the ANZMI website.  Then they will see the anguish of betrayal, the lost friendships and the hurt caused by these gutless impostors who steal the honour of true heroes, past and present, of the Australian and New Zealand Armed Forces.

While ever a single Vietnam Veteran exists, the powerful feelings that are a legacy of their service will continue to permeate Australasian society and beyond.  It is therefore imperative that we do what we can in our time to right the wrongs for those not here and those on the way out.


 

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

Surname: Musgrove
Christian Names: Ernie
Country: Australia
State or Province: NSW
City or Town: Huskisson
Service #: None
Service: None
Branch: None
Commencement of service: None
Completion of service: None
Case Notes:

 

 

 

"Captain" Ernie Musgrove  drives a tourist boat for a company that operates in the area of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Facility at Jervis Bay, NSW. 

When on "Sea duty"  "Captain" Ernie wears four gold bars on his shoulder and  a Submariners Dolphins badge on his left breast.

The Dolphins badge is not a "broach" to be worn by civilians as it indicates that the wearer has served as an elite Submariner in the RAN.

 

 

Musgrove has no RAN service record and has certainly never been a Submariner. His wearing of the Dolphins badge is pretentious and dishonest.

Falsely wearing RAN accoutrements is not a good move in the area of a major Naval facility.

Navy personnel desiring to chat with Musgrove about his Submariners badge should find him at a major tourist attraction in the Huskisson area of Jervis Bay.

Welcome to our web site "Captain" Ernie Musgrove, you didn't earn the coveted Dolphins badge but you have earned a place on our web site.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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