Williams

Date of Entry: 18/04/2018
Surname: Williams
Christian Names: David Allen Gordon
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Merrylands
Service #: R64538
Service: Royal Australian Navy
Branch: Engineering
Commencement of service: 02/07/1965
Completion of service: Unknown
Case Notes:

 

There are numerous former Australian military service personnel, who appear on the ANZMI website, and who have had honourable operational careers in the Army, Navy or Air Force.

Some of these individuals have been honoured with distinguished awards that many of their colleagues have not.

For some reason, they have gone the extra yard, and not being content with wearing the genuinely awarded medals, they see the need to purchase a worthless tin junk medal. They then pay additional money to a medal dealer to have the medal court mounted and added to their rack. It just does not make sense.


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David Allen Williams initially enlisted for 9 years in the Royal Australian Navy on the 2 July, 1965. Following his initial training at HMAS Cerberus in Melbourne, Victoria, he was posted to HMAS Vampire on the 4 February, 1966. He served on HMAS Vampire until the 10 August, 1966. During this time, HMAS Vampire deployed to Vietnam, to escort HMAS Sydney, a former Aircraft carrier that had been converted to accommodate troops travelling to and from Vietnam, as well as supplies.

This was HMAS Sydney's third deployment to Vietnam and HMAS Vampire met HMAS Sydney whilst en route and escorted the ship into Vung Tau harbour. Both ships anchored at 7.40am on the 4 May, 1966. HMAS Vampire remained at anchor until 6am on the 6 May, 1966, when it then left and sailed to Hong Kong. The crew of HMAS Vampire was accredited with 13 days operational service for the two days in Vung Tau Harbour. The crew remained on the ship for those two days



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In the photographs above, Williams is wearing the following medals for his RAN service.
1. Australian Active Service Medal 1945 - 1975
2. Vietnam Logistic and Support Medal.
3. Australian Service Medal clasp FESR. 1945 - 1975.
4. Australian Service Medal clasp special ops.
5. Defence Force Service Medal.
6. National Medal.
7. Australian Defence Medal.
8. Unofficial Australian Logistics Support Forces Medal. (tin)
9. Pingat Jasa Malaya Medal.

The worthless tin medal is the second last from the right. This medal can be purchased on e bay or at a commemorative medal dealer shop for about 30 Australian dollars. To have all his medals court mounted with the tin one included would be a further cost of about 200 Australian dollars.

Prior to 1993, no medals for short Vietnam deployments were issued by the Australian Government. This meant that Australian Naval personnel who visited Vietnam, i.e. Crew members of HMAS Sydney and her escorts, that anchored from 8 hours to one or two days in Vung Tau harbour received no recognition .

Australian Naval Associations then designed and sold an unofficial commemorative medal. They called it the “Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal”. It was not recognised by any other official body. (Australian Government, R &S.L, etc). It was to be worn on the right hand side.

AUSTRALIAN LOGISTIC SUPPORT FORCES MEDAL.

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With continued representations to the Australian Federal Government by Naval Associations, the Defence Department relented. As a result, the Australian Government then issued an official Australian award to those who were eligible.

VIETNAM LOGISTIC AND SUPPORT MEDAL 

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In 1993, the Vietnam Logistic and Support Medal was established to recognise those who had served in Vietnam during the time of the Vietnam War for relatively short periods of time in support of Australian operations and who had not received any recognition for that service.

David Williams and thousands of his Royal Australian Navy colleagues then became eligible for that award.

However, not satisfied with being rightly awarded the Vietnam Logistic and Support medal and the Australian Active Service Medal for his 46 hours in Vung Tau harbour, David Williams has seen the need to place the unofficial Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal on his rack as well.

If worn, these tin and other commemorative medals should be placed on the right side, and not added to or mixed with officially awarded medals. By wearing them on the left side they demean the value of awarded military medals and show disrespect for their Naval colleagues, who did not purchase it and who do not wear it.

We know that this matter has been brought to his notice, on several occasions, but that advice has been ignored.

Recently, ANZMI sent a confidential and personal communication to the President of the Merrylands R&SL , Mr Robin Grimley, informing him that Williams is still wearing the medal after he had been advised by others to remove it.

This communication was sent in good faith offering respectful advice as to a satisfactory resolution of this matter for all concerned.

Grimley's response is below -;

I have come to the conclusion that you are a cyber bully and that is why you do not want to duscuss (sic) by ohone (sic) or in person.
I am sure that the wearing of medals to which a person is nor (sic) entitked (sic) is a Federal offrnce(sic) .Should you have evidenced (sic) of such offences you a nd (sic) ANZMI are also at fault for not reporting it to Federal Police.Sub branches are not empowered nor authorized to investigate nor acion (sic) claims of impropriety
Sinceeely (sic)
Mr. RobinGrimsley (sic)


ANZMI then sent Grimley a communication with photographs clearly depicting Williams wearing the tin medal. His response -;

"I am informed by real people of real organisations that Mr Williams has not worn such a medal , which appears to have been issued by a Viet.Vets organisation not Naval Association"

Grimley has obviously concluded that ANZMI manufactured the above photograph, and somehow placed the tin medal in the photograph on William's medal rack..

With that mindset, you wonder how people like Grimley can become a President of an RSL Sub Branch.

Grimley is wrong in his original response. Sub Branch Executives are certainly empowered to tell one of their senior Committee representatives and Life Member, that he should not be wearing an unawarded purchased tin medal. Grimley has been condoning this behaviour for years. If Grimley, as President of an RSL Sub Branch has no respect for Governor General's and RSL medal wearing protocols, he should resign his position immediately.

RSL Medal Protocols
Ideally, unofficial medals should not be worn. However if they are worn as the occasion
demands, they may be worn on the right breast.
This advice is based on official protocol and practice'.
Fraudulent Wearing of Medals
Fraudulent wearing of medals attracts penalties under Federal regulations and also attracts
subsequent penalties under the RSL Constitution.

Grimley has also threatened ANZMI with legal action if we publish this matter. We hope that his Sub Branch do not have to pay the legal fees.

ANZMI tried to reason with Grimley, but his aggressive response has led to this exposure. His management of this entire situation has been diabolical.

David Williams is a genuine returned serviceman with a distinguished career, both above and below the waves. It amazes us at ANZMI, that a former serviceman with that impressive background, would want to wear a purchased tin medal just to “add one more” to his rack. He has been advised to remove it. He has declined..

He is a Life Member of the Merrylands (Sydney) Returned and Services League (RSL) Sub Branch. He should know better. It is time to remove it. The fact that he is a Life Member of the RSL does not exempt him from traditional medals wearing protocols, that have been in existence for about 100 years.

Grimley, and the committee of the Merrylands RSL Sub Branch should ensure that all members of that organisation comply with Governor General’s and RSL protocols in regards to the wearing of medals.

If you had to buy it, you did not earn it.

 

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