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Surname: King
Christian Names: Gary Scott
Country: Australia
State or Province: Queensland
City or Town: Toowoomba
Service #: 8214629
Service: Army
Branch: Reserves 25/49 RQR
Commencement of service: 7th Nov 2005 (t
Completion of service: Unknown
Case Notes:

 

 

“Give me enough medals and I’ll win you any war”
Napoléon Bonaparte

Gary KING is yet another Veteran who is not satisfied with his service in the Australian Army, service for which he has received appropriate medallic recognition.

KING enlisted in the Australian Regular Army in 1991 and served in Intelligence until 2005 when he transferred to the Active Reserve.   By all accounts he was a good soldier, completing a number of courses such as the Fraud and Ethics Training - which he qualified.  

Ironically, Gary KING is a fraud, and totally lacking in ethics.

KING served as part of Operations TANAGER and ANODE and has been awarded a Bronze Army Commendation and The Army Soldiers Medallion.   He is entitled to the following awarded:

Australian Active Service Medal (AASM) – Clasp East Timor

Australian Service Medal (ASM) – Clasp Solomon Islands

Defence Long Service Medal (DFSM)

Australian Defence Medal (ADM)

He also has an entitlement to the Returned From Active Service Badge (RAS) and possibly, although not confirmed, maybe entitled to the UN East Timor Medal.

King1a

 

In the above photograph however, KING, our very own ‘Napoleon Bonaparte’, who as we all know was also a Corporal is wearing a lot more medals,

In the photograph, he is wearing the following:

AASM with Clasps for Timor, Iraq and Afghanistan
ASM with clasps for Solomon Is II, MFO Sinai,
Afghanistan Campaign Medal
Iraq Campaign Medal
INTERFET Medal
DLSM

UNTAET UN Medal with No2 device
NATO Medal, (Afghanistan)
MFO Sinai Medal

Why Mr KING, why?   Having served in East Timor and the Solomon Islands and received commendations for your service, what on earth has made you decide that you must now embellish your service and wear medals you clearly have no entitlement too.

Now, normally it takes a write up from ANZMI to get the authorities to act against imposters such as KING, but in a positive twist, he was terminated by Defence for wearing a large number of unearned medals after a photo of him appeared in the ANZAC Day 2014 edition of the Toowoomba Chronicle where it was seen by the RSM 25/49 RQR.

Our investigation into KING has unearthed many witnesses to his fraud, as if the photograph is not enough evidence.   Witnesses have come forward to provide evidence that KING is not only a medals cheat, but also a valour thief and an outright liar.

‘…Cpl. Gary King or 'Kingy' as he was known to us is a reserve soldier in 25/49RQR. When I first met him he was posting in from 31/42RQR as an instructor in the trainee coy. Kingy was posted to BHQ as the Bn Intelligence Cpl.  Right from the off he was an awe-inspiring figure; a twice instructor at Kapooka (or was it three?) 1RAR in Somalia service with 'special forces' when asked which one he alluded to SAS going on to say 'I was special forces... But I wasn't special forces, if you know what I mean?'.... No, we didn't know what he meant, only now do I think I understand; had I been posted to SAS I too would wear the winged dagger on a beret, not the SAS beret this being sf but not sf... If you know what I mean. I believe now that he was posted there as an intelligence soldier never actually becoming beret qualified. When I saw him wearing a para-smock I told him about another

Cpl. I'd seen kicking around with one who wasn't a paratrooper and Kingy immediately said that he got his for being a parachutist thus alluding to his SAS story. On yet another occasion I mentioned about 3RAR having the best-looking wings being the same as those worn by Aussie paras in WW2. He jumped in saying that his looked better as they were blue, the SAS obviously having blue wings. Without going into every detail of his stories as time went by they got more and more elaborate: working as a mercenary in Iraq and Afghan going with 2RAR to Rwanda (he can never decide whether he was in 1 or 2 RAR) getting demoted from Sgt twice, being forced out of infantry because he broke his back parachuting onto a building and it goes on. Finally, we come to Anzac Day the day the infamous day the Hines twins showed up Kingy was there too resplendent with his numerous gongs. I noticed he had no parachutist wings at all, further he had more clasps to his aasm than I would have thought possible regrets I can't remember all of them but one that did stick in my mind was Sierra Leone which I didn't know Australia even went to! A mate of mine who is still in the unit has more to say than I do about it. Sorry I have no photo but I believe the Somalia and Rwanda story ought to give you a good lead to establish whether he is full of crap or not…’

Our investigations reveal that KING was at no time a Recruit Instructor at Kapooka, nor did he serve in Somalia or Rwanda and was most definitely not SASR.  

Now that the Army has taken action and let KING go, it is likely he will now ingratiate himself into the RSL and Veteran community.   We have many cases on our website where RSL executives have failed to do appropriate background checks on new members, let us hope they heed this early warning and keep an eye out for the ‘little corporal’ in their ranks.

Welcome to our website Gary KING.

Surname: Harkins
Christian Names: Michael Walter
Country: Australia
State or Province: NSW
City or Town: Abbortsford, Sydney
Service #: None
Commencement of service: NoneInsert Harkins 1
Case Notes:

 

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Michael Walter Harkins has devoted his life to Public Service in the UK and in Australia. He has been rewarded for his service with two medals they are -;

1. For his good work in the United Kingdom Public Service, he was awarded to be a Member of the Royal Victorian Order (MVO).

2. For his good work in Australia, he has been awarded the Australian Public Service Medal.

Notice he wears a neck device and a third medal on the left of his rack, these two items are not official awards and represent a schismatic Order of St John of Jerusalem.

You almost need a PhD to figure out this mess but simply put, there is an Anglican Order of St John who is headed by the Her Majesty the Queen of England. This group is recognized by the Governor General of Australia and their medals can be worn together with Australian Federal medals and approved foreign medals on the left breast.

There are then numerous other groups named "The Order of St John". A main one is a Roman Catholic group, who is headed by Giacomo dalla Torre del Tempio di Sanguinetto from Malta. They together with other schisms, are operating and endowing the Hoi Poloi with trinkets.

Harkins neckpiece and medal are an example of these trinkets from an unrecognized schism.

The neckpiece worn by Harkins is not approved by the Governor General of Australia. The medal is not approved for wear on the left breast. Both can be worn on private occasions within the confines of the particular schism.

Harkins wears his finery on public commemorative occasions, as can be seen in the above photograph, at a military commemoration on 26 Jan 2018.

Below, he wears the unofficial medal.


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Michael Harkins was recently employed as Protocols Officer in the office of the Premier of New South Wales. One would think that such a person would be "au fait" with official government policy regarding the wearing of medals.

Even though the two genuine medals Harkins wears are not of a military nature they are prestigious, and would have been earned by devotion and hard work. It is a pity that Harkins chose to sully his reputation by wearing trinkets.

Welcome to our web site Michael Walter Harkins

Surname: Hammal
Christian Names: Roque Charles
Country: Australia
State or Province: WA
City or Town: Perth
Service: Navy
Case Notes:

 

 

HAMMAL Update April, 2018.

Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Our old "China Plate" the big cheese Roque "China"  Hammal has been again reported to us as a recalcitrant wannabe.  Here is a recent photo of Hammal.

 

China Hammel

 

Our original report about Hammal was fifteen years ago and the above photo shows  he still wears the shonky medals that were reported at that time.  He also still relates ridiculous lies about his service.  Here is what he has written on a Facebook page:

 "I am only going to say this once ... do not believe everything you read from ANZMI as no one has the "Guts" to put their name at the bottom of the article.    You want to find out my true "Navy Service" go to the National Archives and search for my file that can be view publicly... search for my name " Roque Charles Hammal - Navy Offical Number - R106976 " you will find my all my Service Records ... make sure you look at all of them .... you will find the truth and nothing but the truth ... and notice my files are seal " Do Not Open " and what are open displayed to the public eyes are .. "expunged"... once again ... let us keep to the business of HELPING VETERANS".

 

The latest photo shows he stills wears eight medals. The last four on his rack  are fake.  It is also cogent that to earn the four legitimate medals,  "China" spent a total of less than Thirty Six hours in Vung Tau Harbour.  Instead of being satisfied with that over powering gesture by the Royal Australian Navy,  he decided to stick four more medals on his breast.

 

Hammal

 

The Department of Veterans Affairs Nominal Roll shows that he spent Seventeen Days in Vietnam,  but the RAN chose to include the number of days from original port departure, until return to final port.  In Hammal's case it was from Singapore and back to Singapore on HMAS Swan. With fifteen days in transit and less than two days in Vietnam.

 

Hammal

 

It seems that Hammal is quite content to live his whole life as a shameful lying wannabe.  At the time of our original report he richly deserved the truth of his actions and now after fifteen years he is still a persona non grata in the Veteran Community.  As long as he keeps up his charade of "behind the lines"  secret operations,  and wearing fake medals we will keep reporting his dishonesty.

 

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Roque Charles "China" Hammal

Over the years he has obtained more medals to add to his official ‘rack’ of three but it is suggested that he did this not only in an attempt to further his ‘heroic’ war service but also to add credence to his far fetched stories.
 

 

Some wannabes claim that their records are "Secret",  have been "Sanitised" or have been "Destroyed" in an attempt to further their standing in the Veteran community.   Some records are classified Secret when it becomes a matter of National security. An Able-Seaman would not fall into this category.   Sanitised is a new ‘buzz-word’ among wannabes with the implication that should you gain access to a persons file then you will not be able to see the complete file. Records are never Destroyed. Some wannabes claim this has happened and at times attempt to provide bogus proof of this.  In conjunction with this the 30 year secrecy act for Viet Nam is over.

Sadly for wannabes and Roque Charles Hammal, the truth always wins in the end.

Roque Charles "China’ Hammal was born in the British colony of Hong Kong on 23 August 1952, of mixed race parentage. He enlisted in the Royal Australian Navy [RAN] in Sydney on 18 Oct 1969, for a period of 9 years and was allocated Service Number R106976.   At that time he was 17 years and 2 months old and served continuously in the Navy for a period of 12 years and 17 days when he requested his own discharge, which was granted on 4 Nov 81, with the rank of Petty Officer.

Since that date Hammal has concocted many stories regaling his service. He carried out this litany of half truths and fabrications to such a level whereby people he has duped have come out in support of his nefarious and spurious service and stated that they had examined Hammal's service records and supposed letters from government departments, that actually support his stories. How wrong they were.  See below.





Below are a series of photo’s taken at various times at official functions and parades.



Now compare these photo’s with Hammal’s true entitlement shown here.

Hammal made application for and was issued his Service Medals in the following order:

1.      Returned From Active Service Badge in 1991,

2.      Viet Nam Logistics Service Medal in 1993,

3.      Australian Active Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp: Viet Nam, in1997, and

4.      Australian Service Medal 1945-75 with Clasp FESR, in 1997.

These are all he is entitled to wear.

In addition to his real entitlement Hammal wears the following authorised medal without being lawfully issued it and the following "tin"/commemorative medals:

Vietnamese Campaign Medal  - Instituted by the Government of the Republic of Viet Nam and awarded to Australians with the Queen's permission, for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters between 31 July 1962 and 27 January 1973. Service of a lesser period also qualified if brought to an end by death due to enemy action or by being wounded in action i.e. classified as a Battle Casualty. Lesser service terminated by "medical" evacuation to Australia (sickness etc.) did not qualify.  This medal is shown below.  The unlawful wearing of this medal now places him in the position of being charged under the new act and liable to a fine of $3300 and a maximum jail sentence of 6 months.

Navy Tin Medals such as the HMAS Sydney Medal -  A tin association medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

The Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal - A tin commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

Foreign Service Medal -  A tin  commemorative medal which is purchased by the wearer and has no official recognition.   This medal is shown below and is not to be worn on an authorised rack of medals

 

If worn at all, these tin medals should be worn on the right breast, inline with awarded medals which are worn by the recipient on the left breast.

You will see from evidence produced below that ‘China’ Hammal’s real Viet Nam Service consisted of approximately 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on the HMAS Swan, a ship that did not anchor. An extract of evidence from  an AAT hearing on the activities of HMAS Swan in Vietnamese waters is shown below.



     

                               

For this service he is entitled to wear the Australian Active Service Medal (AASM) with Clasp Viet Nam and the Viet Nam Logistics Support Medal (VLSM)."   See the real entitlement to medals for China at the beginning of this page.

Some of Hammal's claims of Navy service:

Claim 1. Hammal has stated "Prior to my transfer from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in October 69 I had a short induction period in HMAS Penguin Diving School in February 69".  See below his own words.


               



Fact 1. Hammal has made the claim of transferring to the Royal Australian Navy from the Royal Hong Kong Navy in Oct 69. His records however show that he applied for enlistment in the RAN on 6 Aug 69 in Sydney, NSW and was enlisted on 18 Oct 69, where he declared on his enlistment papers, D.R.1, 89/69  that he had no prior Military service.
 

During his childhood ( 7 & 8 yrs old) he was billeted with his parents at HMS Tamar on Stonecutters Island (1959-60) which was the Royal Navy shore base in Hong Kong. This is confirmed on his Dept of Navy Personal Particulars Form CDO 4664 dated 12 Aug 69 shown here.


              



This would be the only contact he had with the RN. Also, on form DR1 (Application Form For Males for Enlistment) at para 10, "State highest education standard attained and name of school", he has answered "Form 5, King George Fifth School, 1969, Hong Kong.". This form dated 6 Aug 69 is shown here.

             



Claim 2. Also in the statement below he claims, "When HMAS Perth had her major refits in Sydney, I served in HMAS Parramatta during the fall of Saigon".

 

                                                 



Fact 2. From a search of posting records it is revealed that Hammal was posted to HMAS Parramatta on 17 Oct 73 until 5 May 74. The last time HMAS Parramatta was in Vung Tau harbour was on 22 May 71(for a period of 4 hrs 30mins). Saigon fell to North Viet Nam 4 years later on 30 Apr 75. This is another ridiculous and laughable claim.

Claim 3. Another from the same statement below by Hammal  is, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker". (The term "bubblie" is RAN parlance for a Clearance Diver as opposed to a ships diver) 

 

                                                  



Fact 3. Hammal’s records show that he commenced an ABCD (Able Seaman Clearance Diver) course at HMAS Penguin, a shore based facility at Pittwater in Sydney, on 3 Jan 71. He remained at HMAS Penguin until 1 March 71, a period of 8 weeks, then he was transferred to HMAS Cerberus, another shore based facility. The length of time required to successfully complete the ABCD course was 8 months for the 1971 course so one can see that Hammal failed the course and could never have served as a Clearance Diver (CD) in Viet Nam.

Claim 4. Further to the rest of Hammal's entertaining claims as shown below, comes the one where he states," After a short introduction to the RAN in HMAS Cerberus I had various duties and served in numerous ships including a period in HMS Danae during the Viet Nam campaign".

 

Fact 4. A search of HMS Danae’s (Royal Navy) crew listing (1967-71) does not show any person named Hammal. Another absurd claim easily disproved because the full crew listing may be found at [bookmark us first....this will take you away from the site] http://www.fullspeed.to/hmsdanaeand Hammal’s naval records do not show any posting or attachments to not only the RN but to HMS Danae from the RAN.

Claim 5.
In Claim 3 above it can be seen that Hammal has stated that, "During my RAN service, my records show 3088 days at sea serving as a bubblie and stoker".

Fact 5.  Notice that Hammal has stated "3,088 days at sea" not in sea going ships but, days at sea. The claim of serving "3,088 days at sea" is simply another ludicrous claim. 3,088 days is 8 yrs and 5 mths out of a total of 12 yrs 17 days service.

This is a list of Hammal’s postings to sea going ships as copied from his official Navy records.

HMAS Anzac: 20 Apr 70 to 3 Jan 71 = 258 days.

HMAS Swan: 13 Aug 71 to 21 Jan 73 = 557 days.* #

HMAS Perth: 22 Jan 73 to 16 Oct 73 = 266 days.

HMAS Parramatta: 17 Oct 73 to 04 May 74 = 198 days.

HMAS Perth: 05 May 74 to 08 Feb 76 = 643 days.

HMAS Perth: 10 Jun 77 to 02 Dec 79 = 905 days.

Total = 2827 days on sea going ships.

* While posted to HMAS Swan, Hammal had, according to his leave record, a total of 90 days leave. Also during this period, according to the ships movements logs, the Swan spent 180 days in different ports. This means that out of 557 days on this sea going ship Hammal actually spent 287 days at sea.

# Also, it was in this period that Hammal did his one and only visit to Viet Nam.   HMAS Swan was allocated for service from 4 Oct 71 to 14 Oct 71 and accordingly departed Singapore on 4 Oct, met up with HMAS Sydney on 5 Oct, arrived and left Vung Tau on 6 Oct and arrived Manila on 14 Oct.

On both of HMAS Swan’s visits to Vung Tau, ships records indicate that the ship never anchored at any time thus making diving operations impossible. Evidence from an AAT hearing confirms this as shown below.


 

Claim 6. From Hammal’s local community newspaper, the Cockburn Gazette, dated  June 11 -  June 17, 2002 in an interview given, Hammal states, "China served in the Hong Kong Navy and the Australian Navy for more than 12 years which involved three years in the Viet Nam war."
 


 

Nowhere can it be found that Hammal refuted the above claims.

Fact 6. Claims of serving in Viet Nam for 3 years are simply ludicrous. The last RAN Escort ship in Vietnamese waters was the HMAS Vampire which departed the port of Vung Tau for Palau Tioman on 24 Nov 72.   Three years before this date ( 24 Nov 69) Hammal had just enlisted in the RAN.

Claim 7. From The West Australian newspaper dated 10 June 2002 in an article written by reporter Ben Ruse, Hammal made the statement that he, "trained as a diver in Hong Kong and went to Viet Nam with the Royal Australian Navy in 1969 at the age of 17."
 



Nowhere can it be found that Hammal has refuted this statement.

Fact 7. As can be seen in Fact 1 above, Hammal never enlisted in the RAN until 18 Oct 69. Taking into account the time required for him to complete his "rookies" course at HMAS Cerberusit is just farcical to claim he went to Viet Nam in 1969.

It is indeed a sad day when a sailor who has done so much for the Veteran community has to enhance his service far beyond what he infact did during service, as this now tarnishes everything he has done for that Veteran community and has also caused those within this community to rise against him and have the Order of Australia Medal that he was offered, quashed. Further to this Hammal had a sob story for the WA Sunday Times, dated 14th September 2003,  in which he continues to tell his lies in an endeavour to convince the public that he was worthy of the award.    See below,  you make the judgement.
 

To be a recipient of this medal, you must have a good standing in the community and a flawless record.   Non-disclosure of discrepancies can and does see the award rescinded.   This is unfortunate due to the outstanding work that Hammal has done within the community, but lies and deceit are not tolerated and the reward for this is removal of the medal as has been the case here.  Veterans were outraged at this award and took appropriate action to have it rescinded.   This is now going to create further expense for the Veteran community as this plaque below displaying OAM after Hammal’s name will have to be recast to reflect the truth. This is in Fremantle, Western Australia.

                                            

It has been alleged that  he didn’t fully understand the form and failed to disclose a matter of convictions from his past.  It is also alleged that because of his mixed race background he didn’t understand the wording of the applicable form for acceptance of the OAM.   This is refuted as he is a British subject who’s primary language is English and was at birth and has been the primary language used for approximately 34 years since arriving in Australia in 1969.

Over the past few years Veterans began to become aware of the tall stories that have emanated from Hammal and they began to check into his service record to obtain the truth.   Many Navy personnel approached CPMH for assistance here and we have worked quietly with the growing number of these Veterans who sought the truth.   It has taken a number of  years and with the assistance of all the Veterans involved we now have the truth as you see it here on these pages.

Hard copies of these records are now in our possession and these are what have been used to reflect the truth shown on these pages.

CPMH makes no apology for this entry on our pages and does not intend to pursue this into the depths of the welfare organisation that Hammal created in Western Australia, unless it is revealed that there are more untruths reported by Veterans that can do damage to the Veteran Community as a whole. This would then become a matter for other government departments and we would hand over any information that we uncovered and proved,  to the relevant authority for appropriate action.

China Hammal is a Veteran in his own right.  He has been awarded the medals as we stated above.  He has no entitlement to wear any other awards on his rack other than those we have indicated.  The Veteran Community of Western Australia should now make him aware of this and ensure that the “tin”and other illegal medals  that he wears are removed as they are an embarrassment to all genuine Veterans.   If Hammal is that gullible that he has to wear tin then they should be racked separately and worn on the right breast, well away from his awarded medals, so that the genuine people can have a quiet chuckle as he proudly displays them.

This applies to anyone who feels they have a need to wear tin.

If after being advised the protocol for wearing medals and awards he is still unsure then he should be directed to Ex Service Organisation sites where he can read the correct protocol for wearing medals after discharge………All people who wear tin would be well advised to do this as these “tin” medals are becoming an embarrassment to us all.

The Viet Nam Campaign Medal,  for 181 days "continuous Special Service" in Viet Nam or adjacent waters,  worn by Hammal has not been awarded to him.   The fines and punishments for fraudulently wearing decorations has just been amended in Parliament and penalties increased quite considerably.  Removal of this award is strongly recommended or appropriate action from the relevant authorities will be sought in the near future.
 

              
 

This photo is the latest taken -  30 Nov 2003

and so endeth the myth of the legendary service of this sailor. We can only hope that he wakes up to reality now, removes the un-awarded and tin medals he wears and continues his life as it should be, for it is these lies and his undeclared past, that has seen the awarding of the Order of Australia Medal rescinded.  A further conviction will be sought if the illegal medal is not removed.

 

Cheers China.........the beers are on us. 

There will no doubt be many comments passed on this site entry.  Please come back and visit again as we will post them all here for you to see......good and bad.  Your details will be recorded by CPMH but not displayed.  This section is to  allow you to  make your judgement on if we have been fair in exposing the truth.  This is the area where you can have your say......not our guest book.

THE CHINA HAMMAL COMMENTS SECTION
The comments below will only show which Military Service the person belonged to.

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
  Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 6:43 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: China & PERTH launch
G'day CPMH,
An excellent article on CPMH.  I noted that you have concentrated on the facts and have not bought up any information which could be labelled as "putting the knife in"  -  well done.

Once again, well done on an article which should not draw too many "brickbats" for being demeaning.  It is pure fact and that should be quite obvious to readers.

Regards and Happy New Year,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2003 9:16 AM
To:  file@cpmh.net 
Subject: China & PERTH launch
G'day Guys,
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.
 
Here's a snippet and prediction . . . . .
 
Tenix in Williamstown have just sent out lots of invitations to the launch of PERTH(3), happening on Saturday 20th March 2004.  Our dearest "friend" China would have received one, along wilt all PERTH Association members.
 
Here's my prediction . . . . .  I'd almost bet that China will accept the invitation, and if he does, he'll "demand" money from the ANVVWA ("his" welfare association) to cover the cost of airfares and accommodation for at least himself, and possibly his partner.  Reason to be given will be that since he is proposing to replicate the PERTH bells, the welfare association should pay for his attendance so he can personally make arrangements for the bell "donation".
Navy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Friday, 26 December 2003 8:52 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: CHINA

fellas what can I say? After what seems years the XXX fool has been nailed to the wall.
 There is a God! You do realise that China will bleat his innocence to anyone that will listen.
 But he didn't reckon on the care factor. WE DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
regards
Navy
 
PS I have taken the liberty to forward that article on to the number of ex-members of the RAN who had the misfortune to serve with the XXX lying XXXXX XXXX.
Can I ring a friend?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 4:05 AM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

China should remember that there are people out there whose memory of events are far better than his. His OAM citation should read Order of All-round Manipulator.  China has to realize that he has over the years upset a lot of people and being awarded the OAM was the straw that broke the camels back. Bullxxxx as much as you like, but do it quietly, and to yourself. That way the person you are talking too can believe the stories.

 
regards
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2003 20:30 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Re: CHINA

Well the lies have been around for a long time and now we finally have the truth.  There are a lot in the west who will have egg on their face once they read this entry.  Well done CPMH.  All us "real" veterans applaud you for your efforts.  Do government departments read your site?  If they do they should gather the facts, compare it to what they have on record and then conduct their own investigations as there is a lot more to this "bubblie" than you have shown here.   Congratulations on getting his OAM removed too.  He is not a worthy recipient of this award and if he had it, it would only belittle all those who have it or receive it in the future.  It is now up to the veterans in WA to replace the plaque that displays his name with OAM after it..........the bill should be sent to China for its replacement.

Navy
NB:  CPMH were not responsible for the removal of the OAM award.  This was taken up by concerned Veterans who, under their own steam ensured that the truth was known concerning this award.   CPMH congratulates them for their concerns and attention to this matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 9:17 AM
To: CPMH (Wannabe's)
Subject: China
 
As the advert' says....."I don't know how he can live with himself"
Thankyou CPMH, you've done a sterling job, I can only hope someone takes the ***** to court.
Regards
Navy 

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2003 10:45 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: Roque (china) Hammal

To the instigator of this website.
I am very concerned that your organisation has taken it upon itself to "expose" persons who you claim to be not entitled to wear the medals or have not served their country in the manner which appears to be supported by the official records of the military system and D.V.A.
I am also very well aquainted with China and can vouch for his support of the veteran community in general. I believe that I would be dead or very incapable of looking after myself or anyone else if I had not received some very genuine assistance from China.
I realise that there are many people who do pretend to be what they are not. These are usually detected very quickly and do not need the national publicity of your website to deter them from offending further once discovered.
In fact, I feel very sorry for those that feel they need to act out a role to which they probably could never have belonged.
Your insistence that China wears medals to which he is not entitled is one which should be referred to the Commonwealth Police if you have genuine information that this is the case. You do not have the authority to libel anyone, regardless of the "crime" you think they may have commited. That is exactly what you are doing and your website and its various connections are being investigated further to establish what charges may be brought against you personally and anyone else found to be linked to your site.
It would appear that this attempt to villify various individuals may be connected to your own shortcomings. Perhaps you would care to make personal contact with me through my e-mail address, I will be happy to let you "investigate" me, but I assure you, that I will be doing the same for you and anyone connected with you.
I will be seeking further information about you and will refer all found to the appropriate authorities.
Yours very sincerely,
Navy

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 8:48 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Cc:
Subject: China Hammal

 Another error in your drivel is that HMS Tamar is not on Stonecutters island it is situated on Hong Kong Island . Please print only correct facts - this includes the facts regarding the wearing of commemorative medals and the length of navy diving courses.
Navy

NB:....when one quotes facts one should check facts first.  http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/11/hong.kong/

-----Original Message-----
From: Navy
Sent:Thursday, 8 January 2004 5:26 PM
To: file@cpmh.net
Subject: China Hammal

 To those of you at CPMH who have put China Hammal's name up in lights on your websight, and "exposed" him for not being entitled to wear the Vietnam Campaign Medal, you may want to start thinking about how you are going to pay the defamation suit that I hope he brings against you.   The fact that not one of you have the guts to publicly state who you are, will not help you in the end.   You will be exposed for the world to see and there are those of us who will ensure that your names are spread around, just as you have spread China's name.    The difference between you and us, is that despite your so called criteria, we will do our homework properly and get it right before we name you.   In your report on how investigations are done you claim that in the case of real veterans, they are always given the chance to cease and desist before publication.   Just when did you contact China and give him this option?   You didn't, and he would not have done so in any case.   He doesn't have to prove anything to you anonymous cowards.  Like the gutless wonders you are, you went ahead and published this litany of lies without even following your own guidelines and checking the facts.

The people who have compiled the data on China have very conveniently changed things around to suit their own twisted ideas of what really transpired during his service in the RAN.   Had they bothered to check the Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (WA Inc) website, and clicked on to "Committee," they would have been able to read both his claims to wearing the Vietnam Campaign Medal and the OAM Story.    There is ample proof there that shows he has been investigated by the Department of Veterans Affairs, The Commonwealth Fraud Squad, and the Vietnam Veterans Association of  Australia WA Branch Inc, all of whom have verified his entiltlement to this medal.

You claim that the Vietnamese Campaign Medal was awarded with the Queen's permission for 181 days continuous "Special Service" in Vietnam or adjacent waters.   If you had done your homework, you would have known that no Australian navy ship served in adjacent waters off the coast of Vietnam for 181 continuous days during the Vietnam conflict.  The four destroyers HMAS Perth, Hobart, Brisbane and Vendetta were deployed for periods in excess of six months from their home port of Sydney on their tours of duty,  but they did not serve continuously on the Gunline for 181 days at any time.   There must have been some other criteria for the awarding of this medal to RAN sailors.   We know what it was, why don't you?

As far as his  commemorative medals are concerned, there is no law which says he cannot wear them wherever he likes once he becomes a civilian.   Some ex service Associations have made their own rules about the wearing of these medals.    The Australian Navy in Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association  (WA), of which China is the Honourable Chairman does not have any such regulations.   If he chooses to wear them for whatever reason, that is his business, and neither you nor any other association has the right to say he cannot wear them.   As someone already explained to you, despite your sarcastic remark of "yeah....right on," those of us who served on the logistic support ships, ie HMAS Sydney and her escorts, and were not real heros like yourselves had to fight for many years for recognition which was why some chose to wear commemorative medals.   Had you bothered to do your checking on that fact, you would have known that to be true.

The writer points out that China's real service in Vietnam consisted of 12 hours in Vietnamese waters on HMAS Swan, and produces a letter to back this up.   Unfortunately this letter never mentions anything about the Swan being in Vietnamese waters during this "Operation Awkward," which by the way was a common operational name given to many exercises during my 20 years in the RAN.   The letter mentions Thailand and Hong Kong but not Vietnam and gives no dates when this particular "Operation Awkward" took place.

China has never claimed that he was a clearance diver in the RAN.  He wore a cuff rate (badge) on his uniform to indicate that he was a ship's diver.   Under no circumstances would he have been able to wear this badge and perform diving duties if he was not qualified to do so.   As one of his Petty Officers on HMAS Perth in 1973, I distinctly remember that China was often required to perform diving duties (Bubblie) as opposed to Engineering duties (Stoker), and for that reason whilst on the Engineering Watchbill, most of his duties allowed him to be freed up quickly for diving duties if required.

Your writer disputes  China's claim that he served on HMS Danae for a period of time during the Vietnam conflict, and provides a website that lists the ships crew from 1967-71.   A check of this website reveals that it primarily concerns HMS Danae's first commission from 1967-69, when it returned to the UK, and lists the crew for that period of time.  It does not show any deployment details past October 2, 1969, which was before China enlisted in the RAN.   China could very well have been posted to HMS Danae on  temporary duties during his service and it would not necessarily show up in his Service Records.  Since you guys are so clever and have access to everything, it should be a simple matter for you to cross reference  HMS Danae's later deployments and those of the RAN ships China was on and see if you can match up anything.  You might just be surprised.   Many of these types of posting were logged only by confirmation signals between ships and  c.c.'d  to relevant authorities in Navy Office.   During my time on HMAS Perth in 1981, I did temporary exchange duties with USS Charles F Adams for about five days in the Indian Ocean.   This is not listed on my Service Records.   My service records also do not indicate that whilst serving at sea, I was hospitalised at HMAS Penguin for a week on two occasions.   This is confirmed by my medical records.

In China's claim that he served at sea for a period of time, your writer is clutching at straws by stating that he served on "sea going ships" as opposed to being "at sea."     In the RAN a person is posted either to shore or to sea.  That the ship may not be underway, does not diminish the fact that a person is classified as being "at sea."  by Navy Office.    A special payment called Hard Laying Allowance was paid to all sailors serving on ships irrespective of whether the ship was actually underway or sitting in dry dock, and an extra two weeks leave per year was granted to these sailors to compensate for the fact that they were at sea and living in abnormal conditions compared to their counterparts on shore based  postings.

China's service record indicates that he spent an extraordinary amount of time at sea from April 1970 until December 1979.   This is completely out of proportion to the normal sea/shore ratio for engineering sailors of his rank during that time, which was approximately two and a half years at sea followed by 18 months in a shore posting.   It appears that his only shore time was taken to allow him to do the necessary courses required for further training and promotion.   Perhaps your writer can explain this anomoly.

It has already been shown that just because a person was posted to a ship,  doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually on the ship for the full period of time without going elsewhere.   China joined the RAN  in October 1969,  Saigon fell in 1975.   China has stated he served for 12 years in the RAN, which involved 3 years in the Vietnam War.  He has also stated he was sent to HMAS Parramatta during HMAS Perth's refit in Sydney and was on that ship during the fall of Saigon.  Whilst Saigondid not actually fall until 1975, the writing was on the wall long before that time and the Americans had started a massive pull out.   HMAS Parramatta was in Asian waters during that time when the Americans started to pull out of Vietnam.  That is the period of time China refers to during his HMAS Parramatta sea service.    Simply because a particular ship that he was on was not actually in Vietnamese waters has no bearing on where China might have been at any time during his service career.    His claim is for 207 days in Vietnam.    If you had bothered to check the movements of the ships he served on from 1970 until his return to HMAS Perth in May 1974, you might have realised that most of the times these ships were in Asian waters.

Your writer conveniently supplied me with China's leave record for his period of 18 months service on HMAS Swan.    He states that China had 90 days leave.   RAN regulations would only have entitled him to 63 days for that length of time on a ship.    So how did he manage to get an extra 27 days?    Where was he, and when was this leave taken in relation to the ships movements?

Your claim that an Able Seaman (ie China) would never have records classified "Secret" and be destroyed are also false.   If you bothered to check the ANVVWA website there is a letter from the Department of Defence confirming that China's files namely, Postings/Transfers of Branch Files, Removals and Associated Allowances Files and Overseas Allowances Files were destroyed in 1990 and 1989 respectively.   Why would an Able Seaman have these files destroyed?   If there were nothing in these files that were not "Undicloseable," why were they destroyed?   China's  Service Rankings do not have any bearing on what he actually did or where he went at various times during his RAN career.    This is what you people have not and cannot establish.

You congratulate some Veterans for ensuring that China's OAM was rescinded.    It is a pity that these small minded people didn't clean up their own backyards first.   They live in glass houses, and shouldn't  throw stones.    China never asked for this award, and it was other Veterans who nominated him for it in the first place in appreciation for all he has done for the Veteran community, irrespective of which Service they served in..    He filled in the appropriate forms correctly and answered all questions asked of him honestly.    It is only a few senile old fools in other Associations, jealous of China's standing in the community, who are trying to bring him down.   This is known as the Tall Poppy Syndrome.   If they really are that upset about his name and OAM post nominals appearing on the plaque, then let them replace it at their cost.    The rest of us don't care.   If it wasn't for China's efforts, the Monument to RAN Personnel who served and lost their lives in Vietnam would not even be there.   He got off his arse and made it happen.

China's mates will stand by him, and like him, we don't give a toss about you, or the rest of the backstabbers.    You people have no right to set yourselves up as Judge, Jury and Executioners.   If you believe you are correct in your assassination of China's character, then I challange all of you responsible for compiling and publishing these accusations to at least have the intestinal fortitude to put your names to the accusations.   If you believe you have the proof, take it to the appropriate authorities for them to investigate properly.

XXXXXX

Ex RAN

   7th March 2009

Hammal has had his TPI Special Rate reinstated – this is a scandalous affair and a sad day for the veteran community

 

Chairman of the Australian Naval Vietnam Veterans Welfare Association (ANVVWA) Peter Denver has gleefully advised that China Hammal has had his TPI, Special Rate reinstated. Reinstatement has been verbally confirmed by the Department of Veterans Affairs and it is a sad day for truth, honesty and the integrity of Veterans everywhere. This is what Denver has written:

 

“Quite often I get asked how our Association founder is getting on these days. Those of you that know China Hammal are probably aware that there were people in the veteran community that did not like him, and complained to DVA that his status as a TPI was not based on service related conditions. These complaints resulted in DVA investigators coming to the conclusion that he was not entitled to his TPI pension, and subsequently took it off him.   As a result of these malicious complaints from other veterans, he had no money, had been advised he had to repay over $230,000 to DVA, was unable to work, was reduced to handouts from charitable organizations, and was often on the very edge of giving up the will to live.  

 

Those of us who knew the man, refused to accept the decision by the DVA investigators, and we stood along side him as mates.    We supported and assisted him financially to survive, helped him to get his VRB Appeal together, and he finally had his day at the VRB in January 2008.   

 

The VRB heard his appeal, and they accepted the evidence that China presented, that his claim was genuine.  This was the same evidence, that China had advised the DVA investigators was available if they would look at it during their investigation.   They did not do it.  China won his appeal and his TPI status was restored.   He received all the back pay that had been withheld.  DVA have not lodged an appeal against the decision handed down by the VRB.   What those people who call themselves veterans did to another veteran was unforgivable in my book.   They are not worthy of the title veteran.     The truth prevailed.  

 

Peter Denver

Chairman”

 

China Hammal was the founder of ANVVWA and was well known for his ability to “sell” pensions to his Pusser mates.  “Just sign the blank application, tell China on which ships you served and he would conjure up all kinds of trauma stressors to get you the TPI Special Rate, and of course there was the donation to ANVVWA for services rendered.” There are many smiling ex Pussers in the Perth WA area who benefited greatly, but dishonestly from China’s legerdemain.

After reading the original ANZMI reports on China you will understand that he was/is a thoroughly dishonest and unprincipled human being.

Before China was re-instated an article in the ANVVWA Newsletter was included, begging for funds to “Bring China Back to Perth for ANZAC Day 2009”. Here is the article:

                                                                    HELPING A MATE

Some of you may remember our Association founder  China Hammal, and may be aware of the disgusting inquisition that he had to endure at the hands of DVA investigators in which he lost his TPI status as a result of complaints that were made against him by other veterans in the community, who for reasons best known to themselves decided that he was not entitled to his TPI.   I am sure that those of you who know him are also aware that he won his case at the VRB, and his TPI was restored.  

Sadly there are still people out there who will not let it go, and they continue to hassle him about the medals he wears, which he believes he is entitled to wear, and which his detractors have never proved that he is not entitled to wear them.    This has upset him so much that he no longer participates in Remembrance Day, Vietnam Veterans Day, or ANZAC Day Services and the march in NSW where he now lives.

A motion was put forward at our last Association meeting that we try and get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009.   His financial situation is such that he cannot afford to pay his own way over here, as he is still trying to repay debts as a result of losing his TPI. It was agreed that we would try and raise the cost of his return airfare amongst ourselves.   As such we have started a private fund raiser in the office called "China Hammal – ANZAC Day 2009."    Please Note: No Association Funds will be used for this cause.

Anyone who would like to help us get China over here for ANZAC Day 2009 so he can be with his mates on this important day in the veteran community, can send a donation to our office either by cheque or money order made out to Peter Denver  our ANVVWA Chairman or Carole Matthews our ANVVWA Secretary.   Please include a note saying it is for "China Hammal - ANZAC Day 2009", and not a donation to our Association.  You will be issued with a receipt provided you include your return address, and the money will be kept in a private safe until we have sufficient to purchase his return airfare.   Any money left over after purchasing his plane ticket, from the donations received will be given to China as a gift from his mates to help him out financially.   In the event that this falls through, and he does not come over, you will be given a refund of your donation less any postage costs etc.   Further details including amount raised, when and where you can catch up with him will be detailed in the March 2009 Newsletter.

China helped a lot of people out there, and I'm sure that some of you would like to catch up with him again

China Hammal and the ANVVWA must have a filing cabinet full of information about bogus DVA claims lodged from Hammal and his mates. It is guaranteed that there are many nervous Pussers from the area who would show great generosity and donate to China to keep him quiet.  

We urge honest veterans to express their dismay at the words and actions of Chairman Peter Denver and this ex RAN Welfare Association and also suggest to DVA, that during their idle time they recheck any DVA benefits claims handled by China Hammal and his mates. Once you know what to look for you may find many anomalies and make some smiles disappear from ANVVWA members.

Like in the ANZMI case of Joe Brain (see here http://www.anzmi.net/brain/brain.html ) another crook walks away from DVA laughing. 

It is time the Australian Federal Police extended their bailiwick to include cases of DVA fraud. It is a simple fact that the current investigation section of DVA lack the expertise to bring to justice the clever major players involved in DVA fraud.

We are reliably advised that a major ESO commanded from Western Australia was well aware of the nature of China’s operation of ANVVWA, however the potential for membership from the efforts of Hammal and his mob was obviously more important to them than honesty and ethics.  Those who have knowledge about this issue are advised to come forward and advise either ANZMI at information@anzmi.net or  DVA. 

DVA are urged to take action to appeal the Hammal VRB decision and again take away that which he has fraudulently gained.

This is published in the public interest, particularly that of the Vietnam Veteran Community. All information presented here is fact and the truth. Reports from private citizens are supported by statements of fact and statutory declarations.

Surname: Forsdike
Christian Names: Andrew James
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Warragamba
Service: Army
Branch: Royal Australian Artillery
Commencement of service: June 1966
Completion of service: 1972
Case Notes:

 

Andrew James Forsdike was born on the 20 April, 1949. He enlisted in the Australian Regular Army in June, 1966, and for ten months from May 1968 to March, 1969, he served in the former Republic of South Vietnam. His records indicate that he was a Temporary Bombadier, Royal Regiment of Australia Artillery. – 12 Field Regiment.

Forsdike wears an Order of Australia Medal and a Commendation for Bravery, (recognition for his actions at a road accident in NSW) both of these, he has earned and we congratulate him. He should be satisfied with his lot. It is a pity when a person who has been "through the mill" and has a rack of medals to be proud of, becomes recalcitrant and insists on adding awards that have not been properly bestowed on him.

 


Andrew Forsdike



Here is a list of all the medals and badges that he wears:

Order of Australia Medal
Commendation for Bravery
Australian Active Service Medal
Vietnam Medal
Australian Defence Medal
Centenary Medal
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Medal with Palm (RVGC) - NOT ENTITLED
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Infantry Combat Badge - NOT ENTITLED

 


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Notice he wears the RVGC with Palm which is the second from the right of his rack of medals and the Infantry Combat Badge (ICB) above his medals



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When asked about the RVCG and the ICB, Forsdike responded as follows inter alia -;


Goodday xxxxx


firstly let me say that there are a lot of very jealous Vietnam Veterans out there. Especially with me having the OAM the Commendation for Brave Conduct the Centenary of Federation Medal the ICB and ACB and the Gilmore Medal you can check these on its an Honour web site.
The ICB, I have had numerous people asking why I was wearing the ICB, especially in my unit, as I was the only one awarded it for my actions at Coral, I also have the ACB, thats (sic) why I currently have a request in the Central Army records asking for a copy of the recommendation my Co put in to Army HQ in Saigon on the 13th may 1968 asking that I be awarded the ICB, the incedent (sic) no (sic) is 7819615 this was awarded to me in 1971 just before I left the Army, and its (sic) on my discharge Certificate.
I did apply to the Australian Gov asking about the Cross of Gallantry , I worked for the NSW Police for the last 15 years, and because I wore a uniform I asked my friends in the Commonwealth Police was it illegal to wear this ribbon on my uniform , they said that there is no law saying it is illegal to wear a foreign award . on your uniform, and they also stated that the RSL cannot tell you what or wear (Sic) you can wear an award, it can only give guide lines. I also wrote to the minister for defence years ago when I said that all Australian troops who came under the command of the US MACV were entitled to it, he gave me a whole lot of crap, so I wrote to the US government who said that our Minister was playing with words. By her saying that Australian troops were never under the operational Command of the US Government, this we have proved to be wrong. I am not popular with 102 bty as I made a mistake by saying there (sic) officers did not do there (sic) job at Coral, when in actual fact I repeated some thing that was said to me, when I should not have, as there (sic) officers were all very brave men, and did there (sic) jobs well.

Andy


Make your own judgement about Forsdike's mention on "lots of jealous Vietnam veterans". His OAM, Commendation for Bravery and the Centenary Medal are all officially listed, however we have no idea what the "Gilmore Medal" may be.

If, as he states, the ICB is listed on his Discharge Certificate and it was issued to him in 1971, then it is either a false claim or a mistake, that can, and should be rectified. Forsdike claims a recommendation for the ICB was forwarded to Army HQs Saigon by his unit on 13th May 1968. The ICB did not exist in 1968. It was early 1970 when the then Director of Infantry, Colonel David Thompson and the Chief of General Staff Sir Thomas Daly discussed and instigated the badge.

Here is what was written by Colonel David Thompson about the instigation of the ICB:

"In early 1970 I was sent for by the CGS. During our discussion I suggested that it was time for the Infantry Corps to have an Infantry Combat Badge to be worn by Infantrymen who had served overseas in operations.

The CGS agreed with enthusiasm and told me to design a suitable badge for Australia".

It is inconceivable that his Artillery unit took action to award him a non existent ICB on the same day as his actions at Fire Support Base Coral on 13th May 1968.

Here is part of the official instructions regarding the ICB:

1. Who is entitled to wear the ICB?

Members of the Royal Australian Infantry Corps who, in an infantry posting as part of an Infantry Battalion were deployed for, at least, 90 days to an operational area and subsequently awarded the Infantry Combat Badge.

If, as Forsdike claims he, or ill advised superior officers and public servants, finagled an approval to wear the ICB, it was wrongly awarded and must be rescinded. Alternatively, Forsdike could simply not wear it.

Forsdike is oblivious to Defence, RSL and general protocols. He should however, be aware of the Defence Act 1903 Part VII section 80B Improper use of Service decorations. Many fraudsters and wannabes have been dealt with by courts relating to this legislation . An Australian Federal Police Officer named Kelly Wingkee Luk was dealt with by Federal Police for fudging medals entitlement -;

mail.anzmi.net/index.php/cheats-thieves/valour-thieves/71-luk

Simply put, Forsdike is "Medal Hungry" and appears to have spent most of his life chasing medals.

'In March 2017 he had a family member take a case to the Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal (AAT). He was seeking a Military Medal (MM) or Medal of Gallantry (MG) (these are prestigious war time bravery medals) for his participation at Fire Support Base Coral, east of Lai Khe, Binh Duong Province, South Vietnam in the early morning of 13th May 1968.

It is somewhat, audacious and vainglorious to instigate legal action to have oneself awarded a bravery medal and it is indicative of his narcissistic need to collect awards.

Forsdike claimed he did not get a bravery medal because of maladministration by his unit at the time, however the Tribunal found there was no maladministration, and although Forsdike did honourable service it was not of a standard to warrant an MM or MG. See 25 pages here:

2017_DHAAT_009_Ford on behalf of Forsdike – Decision Report

"The Tribunal finds that Bombardier Forsdike’s actions on 12/13 May 1968 at FSB Coral were undeniably brave but do not meet the threshold for a gallantry award. This finding does not in any way diminish the contribution Bombardier Forsdike made to his Regiment during his service in Vietnam.

On 15 February 2016, the Director General Personnel – Army (DGPers-A) provided a response to the Tribunal that, in the absence of maladministration or a failure in due process, the original decisions of the ‘decision-makers of the time’ be upheld and no further recognition be given to Lance Bombardier Forsdike. No review of the merits of the application was conducted"

Medals, awards and badges are presented by our Federal Government for defence service or for exemplary public service to our nation. If we were to follow Forsdike's ideas and actions, where medals are completely unregulated and no one can tell him what to wear, imagine what would happen if "medal hungry" wannabes throughout Australia were allowed free reign. The value and status of defence service and our medals system would be destroyed.

ANZMI strives to protect Australian and New Zealand protocols and heritage, We will report any person wearing defence medals or badges that they have not earned, or have been wrongly issued.

We asked Forsdike to remove the RVCG and the ICB from his left breast, he chose to not do so, and said

"I have no intension (sic) of supplying you with any of my documents. I have spoken to my son who was a public prosecutor for the NSW police and is (sic) now still works in a legal capacity. He has advised me not to respond to these alligations you have made and he said that if he sees or hears any more on this issue, and he finds out who is behind it he will then take the matter further.

Forsdike claims that he has been awarded the ICB and the Australian Combat Badge. (ACB)

You can be awarded one or the other. Not both. Below is the set criteria for the award of the ACB.

Army Standing Instruction (Personnel), Part 11, Chapter 3
CHAPTER 3
ARMY COMBAT BADGE
ELIGIBILITY

3.5. To be eligible to be issued the ACB, a member must have:

a. Either: (1) been force assigned to a combat team for a period of either a continuous or an aggregate of 90 days satisfactory service, or
(2) been physically deployed in the same geographical location as a Combat Team and have a primary role to directly support that Combat Team for a period of either a continuous or an aggregate of 90 days satisfactory service;
b. and:
(1) been serving on a warlike operations
(2) not have been previously issued the ICB or ACB

We have no alternative other than to give him space on this web site, where he can enjoy the award of being a medals cheat. Unfortunately we do not present recipients of this award with ANZMI tactile trinkets, however am sure that if we did, Forsdike would add it to his rack.

Surname: Hollibone
Christian Names: Glenn Stanley Leonard
Country: ustralia
State or Province: Victoria
City or Town: Yarraville
Service #: 3144206
Service: Army Reserves
Branch: Cadets (1998 - 2011)
Commencement of service: 21/03/1079
Completion of service: 06/06/2011
Case Notes:

 

Here we have an example of a "dud" who is the Secretary of a "dud" Melbourne Sub Branch of the Returned and Services League (RSL).



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This "Highly decorated" bloke has been able to get away with his disgraceful behaviour under the full glare of the Yarraville and other Melbourne RSL Sub Branches for years. Hollibone joined the Yarraville RSL in 1982. Are there no genuine Veterans at the Yarraville RSL who could have, at any time pointed out that Hollibone is a "dud"?

Is the Yarraville RSL just a "pub" with no heart, where nobody gives a damn about honour, integrity, tradition and protocols. Unfortunately there are many RSLs like Yarraville, and a lot of people like Hollibone in RSL Sub Branches.

Here he is again in the front rank of a marching parade, strutting his stuff and leading genuine veterans, as if he had just returned from a battlefield with honours bestowed upon him. 


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Don't get us wrong, as we at ANZMI are all members of the RSL and cherish what it stands for, however in recent years there have been financial scandals in NSW, Queensland and South Australia. ANZMI have uncovered many fakes and wannabes in all regions and echelons of the organisation. We believe that this is because of the lack of experience required to qualify for membership.

Even the National President of the RSL is not a returned veteran. In recent times the RSL officially declared that all those who have ever served in the Defence force are to be named as "Veterans. " So here we have Glenn Hollibone strutting his stuff as a bemedalled veteran, when in fact, he is little more than a civilian taking advantage of the malaise in the RSL.

Here are the six medals Hollibone is wearing. Perhaps he is entitled to one of them, and that one was earned the very easy way, with part time service in the Australian Army Reserve from which he was ejected on 1 August 1998 because he "Failed to render efficient service". During this service he attained the rank of Trooper which is the Armoured Corps equivalent of a Private soldier.


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The medals he wears are -;

QUEENS SILVER JUBILEE MEDAL - Fake self purchased

NATIONAL MEDAL - Authenticity unknown. He is not listed on the official "Its and Honour" list.

YEAR OF VOLUNTEER MEDAL - Fake self purchased tin medal

EMERGENCY SERVICE MEDAL - Fake self purchased tin medal

CMF RESERVE MEDAL - Fake self purchased tin medal

AUSTRALIAN DEFENCE MEDAL Most likely his only genuine medal, which he somehow finagled from the system considering that he was discharged from his only relevant service because he "failed to render efficient service"

Hollibone also lists service as an Officer of Cadets with the rank of Captain. That does not make him an Commissioned Officer of the Australian Defence Force. At the Yarraville RSL functions he has worn the Captain rank on an Officer of Cadets uniform and taken the salute from real veterans (Returned from Active Service veterans) - What a sham!!!!!

Hollibone and his ilk are becoming the face of the RSL. They are also becoming the face of ANZMI. It is feared that the crooks will prevail however, we will continue to pursue these fools and to do so we need the full support of genuine ex service communities.

We welcome any information from concerned current or former military personnel, as well as members of the public, who see military imposters gaining undeserved recognition by their unacceptable behaviour.

Welcome Glenn Stanley Leonard Hollibone.

 

Surname: Williams
Christian Names: David Allen Gordon
Country: Australia
State or Province: New South Wales
City or Town: Merrylands
Service #: R64538
Service: Royal Australian Navy
Branch: Engineering
Commencement of service: 02/07/1965
Completion of service: Unknown
Case Notes:

 

There are numerous former Australian military service personnel, who appear on the ANZMI website, and who have had honourable operational careers in the Army, Navy or Air Force.

Some of these individuals have been honoured with distinguished awards that many of their colleagues have not.

For some reason, they have gone the extra yard, and not being content with wearing the genuinely awarded medals, they see the need to purchase a worthless tin junk medal. They then pay additional money to a medal dealer to have the medal court mounted and added to their rack. It just does not make sense.


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David Allen Williams initially enlisted for 9 years in the Royal Australian Navy on the 2 July, 1965. Following his initial training at HMAS Cerberus in Melbourne, Victoria, he was posted to HMAS Vampire on the 4 February, 1966. He served on HMAS Vampire until the 10 August, 1966. During this time, HMAS Vampire deployed to Vietnam, to escort HMAS Sydney, a former Aircraft carrier that had been converted to accommodate troops travelling to and from Vietnam, as well as supplies.

This was HMAS Sydney's third deployment to Vietnam and HMAS Vampire met HMAS Sydney whilst en route and escorted the ship into Vung Tau harbour. Both ships anchored at 7.40am on the 4 May, 1966. HMAS Vampire remained at anchor until 6am on the 6 May, 1966, when it then left and sailed to Hong Kong. The crew of HMAS Vampire was accredited with 13 days operational service for the two days in Vung Tau Harbour. The crew remained on the ship for those two days



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In the photographs above, Williams is wearing the following medals for his RAN service.
1. Australian Active Service Medal 1945 - 1975
2. Vietnam Logistic and Support Medal.
3. Australian Service Medal clasp FESR. 1945 - 1975.
4. Australian Service Medal clasp special ops.
5. Defence Force Service Medal.
6. National Medal.
7. Australian Defence Medal.
8. Unofficial Australian Logistics Support Forces Medal. (tin)
9. Pingat Jasa Malaya Medal.

The worthless tin medal is the second last from the right. This medal can be purchased on e bay or at a commemorative medal dealer shop for about 30 Australian dollars. To have all his medals court mounted with the tin one included would be a further cost of about 200 Australian dollars.

Prior to 1993, no medals for short Vietnam deployments were issued by the Australian Government. This meant that Australian Naval personnel who visited Vietnam, i.e. Crew members of HMAS Sydney and her escorts, that anchored from 8 hours to one or two days in Vung Tau harbour received no recognition .

Australian Naval Associations then designed and sold an unofficial commemorative medal. They called it the “Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal”. It was not recognised by any other official body. (Australian Government, R &S.L, etc). It was to be worn on the right hand side.

AUSTRALIAN LOGISTIC SUPPORT FORCES MEDAL.

Aust Logistic Support Medal Tin



With continued representations to the Australian Federal Government by Naval Associations, the Defence Department relented. As a result, the Australian Government then issued an official Australian award to those who were eligible.

VIETNAM LOGISTIC AND SUPPORT MEDAL 

Williams4Vietnam Logistic and Support Medal1



In 1993, the Vietnam Logistic and Support Medal was established to recognise those who had served in Vietnam during the time of the Vietnam War for relatively short periods of time in support of Australian operations and who had not received any recognition for that service.

David Williams and thousands of his Royal Australian Navy colleagues then became eligible for that award.

However, not satisfied with being rightly awarded the Vietnam Logistic and Support medal and the Australian Active Service Medal for his 46 hours in Vung Tau harbour, David Williams has seen the need to place the unofficial Australian Logistic Support Forces Medal on his rack as well.

If worn, these tin and other commemorative medals should be placed on the right side, and not added to or mixed with officially awarded medals. By wearing them on the left side they demean the value of awarded military medals and show disrespect for their Naval colleagues, who did not purchase it and who do not wear it.

We know that this matter has been brought to his notice, on several occasions, but that advice has been ignored.

Recently, ANZMI sent a confidential and personal communication to the President of the Merrylands R&SL , Mr Robin Grimley, informing him that Williams is still wearing the medal after he had been advised by others to remove it.

This communication was sent in good faith offering respectful advice as to a satisfactory resolution of this matter for all concerned.

Grimley's response is below -;

I have come to the conclusion that you are a cyber bully and that is why you do not want to duscuss (sic) by ohone (sic) or in person.
I am sure that the wearing of medals to which a person is nor (sic) entitked (sic) is a Federal offrnce(sic) .Should you have evidenced (sic) of such offences you a nd (sic) ANZMI are also at fault for not reporting it to Federal Police.Sub branches are not empowered nor authorized to investigate nor acion (sic) claims of impropriety
Sinceeely (sic)
Mr. RobinGrimsley (sic)


ANZMI then sent Grimley a communication with photographs clearly depicting Williams wearing the tin medal. His response -;

"I am informed by real people of real organisations that Mr Williams has not worn such a medal , which appears to have been issued by a Viet.Vets organisation not Naval Association"

Grimley has obviously concluded that ANZMI manufactured the above photograph, and somehow placed the tin medal in the photograph on William's medal rack..

With that mindset, you wonder how people like Grimley can become a President of an RSL Sub Branch.

Grimley is wrong in his original response. Sub Branch Executives are certainly empowered to tell one of their senior Committee representatives and Life Member, that he should not be wearing an unawarded purchased tin medal. Grimley has been condoning this behaviour for years. If Grimley, as President of an RSL Sub Branch has no respect for Governor General's and RSL medal wearing protocols, he should resign his position immediately.

RSL Medal Protocols
Ideally, unofficial medals should not be worn. However if they are worn as the occasion
demands, they may be worn on the right breast.
This advice is based on official protocol and practice'.
Fraudulent Wearing of Medals
Fraudulent wearing of medals attracts penalties under Federal regulations and also attracts
subsequent penalties under the RSL Constitution.

Grimley has also threatened ANZMI with legal action if we publish this matter. We hope that his Sub Branch do not have to pay the legal fees.

ANZMI tried to reason with Grimley, but his aggressive response has led to this exposure. His management of this entire situation has been diabolical.

David Williams is a genuine returned serviceman with a distinguished career, both above and below the waves. It amazes us at ANZMI, that a former serviceman with that impressive background, would want to wear a purchased tin medal just to “add one more” to his rack. He has been advised to remove it. He has declined..

He is a Life Member of the Merrylands (Sydney) Returned and Services League (RSL) Sub Branch. He should know better. It is time to remove it. The fact that he is a Life Member of the RSL does not exempt him from traditional medals wearing protocols, that have been in existence for about 100 years.

Grimley, and the committee of the Merrylands RSL Sub Branch should ensure that all members of that organisation comply with Governor General’s and RSL protocols in regards to the wearing of medals.

If you had to buy it, you did not earn it.

 

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