Patterson

Surname: Patterson
Christian Names: James Edward
Country: Australia
State or Province: NSW
City or Town: Sydney
Service: Citizen Military Forces
Case Notes:

James Edward Patterson

It was always understood by other Sydney veterans who associated with Patterson that he was a Regular Army Engineer who served on two trips to Vietnam with 32 Small Ships Squadron.  He said he made one of these trips on the Clive Steele and threw his awarded service medals overboard. He also claims to have served on HMAS Sydney on a voyage to Vietnam in 1966. There wasn’t a nominal roll available in those days so he was accepted by other veterans on face value.

 

We will disclose numerous occasions where Patterson claims to be a Vietnam Veteran, right up until May 2008 when, he had painted himself into a corner and was being hard pressed for proof of his claims.

He wrote:

“I served as a terminal operator on the HMAS Sydney (loading and unloading of the ship)  was taken to Vietnam in 1966 under the command of a Major Fletcher (Terminal officer), We never disembarked from the ship..... and upon return I was utilised by Small ships as a supernumerary (topside) on the Clive Steele 1966”

“33/30 Port squadron loaded/unloaded HMAS Sydney both in Sydney and VungTau under the command of a Major Fletcher. We never disembarked from the ship as soon as unloaded we returned to Australia”

Major Bruce Fletcher did not travel to Vietnam on HMAS Sydney in 1966 or any other time. He traveled by air to Vietnam departing Sydney on the 19 April 1966, three days before HMAS Sydney left Australia. Major Fletcher remained in Vietnam until 17 June 1967.

Patterson further said.

“I wrote to CARO in September, 2007 asking why my name was not on the nominal roll etc I had given them all the particulars in my letter, I received a telephone call Christmas 2007 that they were investigating my claim, and would get back to me (so far nothing heard but who cares anyway.”

Jim says he contacted Central Army Records Office (CARO) in late 2007 asking why his name isn’t on the Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA) nominal roll, and an investigation is underway. He says he is gathering affidavits from men in the same situation as proof of the records omissions. These were men who served with 32 Small Ships.  Other Army personnel posted to HMAS Sydney (as he claims to have been}, don’t seem to have this problem.

Here is a novel wannabe statement put into writing by Patterson. Can you imagine a military parade where counterfeit medals were handed out? It may sound OK to civilians but genuine veterans recognize Patterson’s stupidity.

“Just for your information and that of other I was presented with two medals at a passing out parade at HMAS Penguin, we noticed that the medals were not inscribed and we then told them to stick them if they couldn’t put our names on them, and if you want to look there are about 12 medals at the bottom of the Sydney harbour (opposite the ORs dry mess) where we threw them.  “I’m not in the nominal roll either are other CMF personnel whom served on the ships”

Patterson was a contributor to an Internet Profile site. See below how he describes himself as “Vietnam Veteran Royal Australian Engineers RAE.” In addition although it is not our concern he also claims to be a “Retired Law enforcement Officer” that is another lie.

He also claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran on the USA Transport Vietnam Association web site, other genuine Australian Vietnam Veterans have been registered on this site.  He listed his details as “Jim Patterson 32 Small Ships Squadron Royal Australian Engineers and 30 Terminal Squadron Royal Australian Engineers” that information is false.  He was never a member of either of those units that served in Vietnam.

On a genealogy web site Patterson wrote the following: 

 

 

Patterson did not serve in the Australian Regular Army (ARA) at any time in any capacity.

“RSA Badge”, appears to be a typographical error “RAS Badge” was intended? (Returned from Active Service Badge) he does not have one nor is he entitled to one.  

We have Patterson’s full CMF pay records for the period he claims to have served in Vietnam. According to these records He was never transferred to CMF Full Time Duty and only ever received pay for CMF part time duty.  We hold his complete pay record from 1965 to 1968, this is the period he claims to have served on ships servicing Australian Forces in Vietnam

 

 

 

Patterson has been an active participant in Veterans networks particularly that of Allen J Petersen. Here are examples of how he put himself forward as an old soldier and experienced veteran. His email address is “Aussisoljer” and he signs off as “Jim Patterson an Old Engineer” and also “30 Terminal Squadron and 32 Small Ships Squadron” Patterson was never posted to either of those units, he has inserted them to give the impression that he served with units that served in Vietnam. In this exchange he takes to task a genuine veteran

 

From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: TOUGH DECISION ?

I don't get into arguments but in this instance I want to assist George.

So he was a storeman with RAEME and the other guy was a platoon SASR soldier, bloody hell wonder where he got his equipment, his ammo, his rations, from??

Maybe the tooth fairy, every soldier that served in Vietnam , Borneo was supplied by other soldiers, irrespective of the Corps they were in, everyone who served in Vietnam served with distinction. Funny we did supply runs to Borneo saw shit but then we were Transportation and we flew our own ensign, but wait we not the B all to end all. 

If you wanted armour backup wonder who brought it across, hang on it floated, if you wanted a salvo wonder who brought it across, the tooth fairy of course. Not everything came by aircraft you know, wonder who loaded the ships ?and it wasn't the navy, and who unloaded them again it wasn't the navy.


Mate I don't care if your a pogo, a backyard Johnny, or a front liner, but my SASR mates don't go on like this smart arse, they respect each and every person who served and I do know what Bob Buick did and I do know what a lot of 6 RAR blokes think of him, but I don't hold grudges - you owe a veteran whom serve and apology or your don't apologise in the "SPOOKS" you to highly trained in your tooth fairy mind because you to higher a class than the ordinary soldier.

JIM Paterson
30 Terminal Squadron/32 Small ship Squadron RAE
Aussisoljer
And if you have a problem with me get over it!

 

From: aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2008 8:35 AM

Subject: Re SAS TRUST FUND..

 

Sorry xxxxxxxx

I'm not a bleater, I'm a educated person, can you please explain to this poor little baggy arse Engineer  where is the justice in one Regiment (SASR) being given $10 million for a trust fund whilst others are given scraps ?

Where is the justice of other ex servicemen who served in the uniform of this country willing to lay down their lives for this country, hurt on duty either in a active zone or peace time operation (which I believe this trust is about)  and they or their associations not given the same gratitude.

I don't know your background nor do I want to know but FAIRNESS and EQUALITY were and are a big thing in my book and we have laws of this country that say that is called DISCRIMINATION ACT we also had MATESHIP  .

This is sorry to say discriminating , one ex service person against another, virtually saying either you a SASR person, your entitled or your  ordinary serviceman Navy, Army Air Force and your not. 

I could be wrong but as a person who wore the uniform proudly of this country , and have mates who served in SASR, feel that we all should be treated equally- we all shared the same rigours, the same food, the same incidents, and lost the same colour blood and friends, so please tell the Incapacitated, the maimed why this regiment should be singled out and the amount of $10 million not given to ALL deserving ex servicemen. 

And who cares if a Lt Col didn't go out on patrol I don't think any one of them did, but I did see a few Majors, Captains, Lieutenant down out there, chain of command brother and before you go off I was a corporal not an officer, and proud of my service and Esprit de Corps .

Jim Patterson
an Old Engineer 

In the emails above Patterson alludes to having made voyages to Borneo he says “Funny we did supply runs to Borneo saw shit but then we were Transportation and we flew our own ensign, but wait we not the B all to end all”

In the second example he says“he has seen a few Majors, Captains and Lieutenants out on patrol” thus inferring that he has been on operational service.

We have much more evidence of Patterson’s allusions of serving in Vietnam. Should the need arise it can be released.

Although in one of his emails he says “He is an educated person” it is clear that he is far from that, however like most wannabes he is rat cunning and relies on the vulnerability of honest people to believe him on face value. Also like other wannabes he lacks the in depth knowledge of how efficiently the Defence Force Operated and the extent of evidence available to counter rat cunning wannabes. 

Patterson has not worn medals he is not entitled to (He claims to have thrown them away) he has fooled many people into believing he is a veteran of the Vietnam war. He is not a veteran he is an ex Citizens Military Forces soldier who had the opportunity to transfer to the Australian Regular Army and serve in Vietnam, he didn’t do that, he choose instead to pretend to be a veteran and bask in the kudos associated with that status, now he can suffer the consequences of his dishonesty and theft of honour by featuring on this web site where he belongs.

25 Jul 2009

A photograph of Patterson has come to light and has  been inserted into our original exposure.  Until now we had no evidence of Patterson wearing Vietnam war medals. He previously claimed to have thrown them away soon after they were presented to him, we assume, this dreamed up action, was some kind of "heroic" rebellion  against the horrors of war.

We have now received conclusive evidence that Patterson has worn Vietnam Medals on ceremonial occasions. He again used the “I threw the medals away” after he was knocked back for an Australian Defence Medal.  If you look closely at the photograph you can see he is wearing medals and also a Return from Active Service Badge (RASB). The RASB must belong to a genuine veteran and Patterson must have gone to deliberate and deceptive measures to obtain it

The photograph came with a report from a Veterans Group who interacted with and knew Patterson well.

Here is the report:

The bloke you have on your web site as James Edward Patterson is a bloke we, in the xxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans Reunion area of NSW, know as Jim Patterson.

The Army Number on his Paysheet on your site is the same as we have recorded for him.

He came to notice as a possible wannabe in 2008 when we became aware that he had applied for the Australian Defence Medal and was rejected due to lack of records.

He became the subject of plenty of discussion at the reunion held in xxxxxxxxx in Nov 08 and a bloke from Sydney said that when this rejection was done he threw his medals (the ones he had worn to our reunions) into the harbour at Sydney.  It was also mentioned that his membership to 32 Small Ships Sqn had been cancelled.

The we I mentioned are the Vietnam Veterans here in xxxxxxxxxxxx.

This is the second shock we have received.  The first being mother Quick and now Jim Patterson - both known to many in the xxxxxxxxx and blokes that we just accepted as being Viet vets.

On the photo attached you can see he is wearing four medals, a returned from active service badge and a RSL Sub Branch badge.  It was taken at the 2004 xxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans Reunion at Albury NSW.

If any further info comes to hand I'll let you know

Regards,

Patterson must be shunned by all ex Service Organisations because by word and deed he is a wannabe who deliberately deceived his Veteran “mates”

Patterson has committed crimes against the Defence Act by wearing medals he is not entitled to wear. Although we continually expose and parade wannabes before law enforcement authorities they ignore our actions, apparently they have the audacity to believe that the honour of Veterans and the supreme sacrifice made by many of our kind are just not in the public interest.  Such an attitude is a gross insult and unworthy of decent Australians.

ANZMI is committed to exposing frauds and impostors in the veteran community. Be an impostor at your own peril, eventually we will get you just as we have got Patterson and many others.

 

31st Oct 2009

Update Patterson’s curse

Farmers are inflicted with the dreaded weed called Patterson’s curse. Veterans have a similar affliction and that is the curse of Jim Patterson the liar, fraud and wannabe. To say that Patterson is the fundamental orifice of a horse is to insult horses.  He uses the email name and address of Aussisoljer@aol.com  Like the weed Patterson’s curse, Jim Patterson is a worthless entity who fails to apologise for his offence and continues with his wannabe antics.

Aiding and abetting Patterson is a dill and failed soldier named Terry Westerway of Sydney.  Westerway is a member of the Mad Galah organisation that is the shame of the Australian Veteran community. Have a look at the garbage that Westerway has written in relation to defending the unrepentant wannabe Patterson.

 "From: Terry Westerway
To:
Cc: Jim Patterson ; Allen Petersen
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: FW:       NSW apology

Mr xxxxxxxxx,
 
I presume that you have not answered Jim Patterson's email (below).
 
In so far as you (reportedly) said that you "had sent all relevant paperwork to ANZMI and your Legal representatives", can I reasonably assume that, therefore, you are the author of the letter/email to ANZMI on or about 25 July 2009 (attributed to the "xxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans reunion") and the person who sent the photograph alleged to be of Jim Patterson at the "xxxxxxxxx Vietnam Veterans reunion" in Albury?
 
Can I reaonably assume that the substitution of "xxxxxxx" for the actual name is an ANZMI alteration to your original email? If that is so, then would it not be proper to either insist that "xxxxxxx" be removed and the correct name subsituted - or - to openly identify the group that you refer to? Is there something that you wish to conceal in permitting the substitution? If so, why? What have you to hide? If you truly believe what you say, would it not be proper to identify the group?
 
I wonder whether you have actually consulted a reasonable number of those who attended the reunion as to the malfeasances of which you complain?
 
As to the photograph, was it a photgraph personally obtained by you? If not, would it not be appropriate to identify the person who obtained the photograph - and a statement from that person as to his intentions in taking the photograph and the precise time and date on which the photograph was obtained?
 
As it stands, the evidenciary value of your (assumed) letter and the photograph are (on the best possible interpretation) of no evidenciary value whatsoever. Evidence, if it is to be relied upon, must identify the person who obtained the "evidence" and the circumstances under which the evidence was obtained.
 
In regard to the photograph, ANZMI make certain remarks about the medals being worn - but that conclusion is not immediately clear from the photograph itself. If the person taking the photograph had intended to identify the medals for the purposes of evidence, surely it would have been appropriate to take a clearer photo of the medals? You and ANZMI make certain assumptions about the medals etc, but those assumptions are not immediately clear from the photograph. As "evidence" the photo in itself is of no value.
 
Moreover, much of your (assumed) letter relies upon prior statements made by ANZMI about Jim Patterson's service - a poor substitute for actual evidence. The simple fact is that ANZMI make anonymous allegations and provide copies of documents - the providence of which is not in evidence (that is, unless the origin of documents is attested to by an identified person, they are of no evidenciary value).
 
As I have pointed out before, if Jim Patterson takes it into his head to issue legal proceeding against you, you have no defence, because you rely upon ANZMI who are hardly likely to step out into the sunlight to support your argument.
 
Your (assumed) letter also links Jim Patterson to someone called "Mother Quick" and certainly implies that whatever "Mother Quick" is alleged to have done, Jim Patterson is also tainted by some assumed similarity with the matter of "Mother Quick". That is (on the most generous interpretation) "guilt by association" - if we are to follow that principle, is it not reasonable to associate you with ANZMI and all of its error, omissions, unsubstantions and assumptions?
 
May I say, from my perspective, you are a person who lacks the intestinal fortitude and the cojones to stand out and openly make your allegations. And, in my view, makes your allegations worthless. There is an Old English word that I feel applies to you. The word is "nithing" - it means a person of no vaue, a person whose word is worthless.
 
By the way, I am still waiting for a visit from the Australian Federal Police (or the NSW Police for that matter) and/or a formal letter from your legal advisors. Tell them to hurry up will you?
 
Terry Westerway
(That bloke from Liverpool)"

 Westerway is the self appointed legal eagle for the Mad Galahs he fills his email with legal mumbo jumbo, when the crux of the matter is -

Did Jim Patterson serve in Vietnam - The answer to that question is no.

Does Jim Patterson still claim to be a Vietnam Veteran - The answer to that question is yes.
 

Has he worn medals that he is not entitled to wear - The answer is yes.
 

Is there evidence to prove this - The answer is yes, see the photo on the original entry.

Mad Galahs and Terry Westerway in particular should be despised by decent veterans for the irrational support of wannabe scum like Jim Patterson. There is only one thing lower than a wannabe and that is a person who supports a wannabe.

After being exposed as a liar, cheat and wannabe Patterson ducked his head and shut up for a few months, but now this noxious weed is attempting a come back through his good mates the Mad Galahs who just love liars and cheats like Jim Patterson.

In April and July 2009 we presented overwhelming evidence of Patterson’s offences against veterans integrity.  Patterson is an ex part time soldier who never left Australian shores but has for years claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran. 

The only place this mongrel can find a friend in the veteran community is with the Mad Galahs who attract odd balls and misfits like moths to a candle. Surely they must see, that like some of their other members who also appear on our pages, Patterson is persona non gratia, as far as veterans are concerned.

As a result of our previous Patterson update, Patterson had the audacity to act the hurt innocent and to threaten to sue a real veteran for telling the truth about him. Read what he had to say in the two emails shown below.

His threats of legal action are typical of wannabes and should be taken with a grain of salt, he is a proven liar and any Judge would probably declare him a vexatious litigant if he tried it on.

Some good advice to Patterson is – Do not continue to offend the veteran community with your presence, nick off, you are not a veteran and you are not welcome in the veteran community.

From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au

Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 10:21 AM

Subject: Mad galahs membership..

Allen, Could you get the secretary to please forward to me a membership form of this organisation, as I have just read  on the avm website list number 61 of the 10 October, 2009 that I am a member but never joined, and I deem that most inappropriate and apologise for not joining earlier. I do look forward to receiving my full engraved "Mad Galah" badge etc.

I think Phil Moon, Harry Kirkman,and Noel Muller would also like forms as they to were mentioned. 

Seems I get membership for outing one of there members or because I wrote and expressed in open forum (which I still believe is correct in this country but not if you do so anonymously) my opinions and I have threatened the dread word "legal action" and being posted on the anzmi site. 

I do hope it like the Freemasons (which I am a member by the way) which I enjoy and follow the teachings. (see I have nothing to hide and have papers to prove this also). 

(Irrelevant paragraphs deleted) 

Jim Patterson -and this is my name 

Oh by the way flew Cathay pacific arrived London 25th April, 2009 left Heathrow 24 May, 2009 just in case someone says im telling porkies! 

 From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

To: xxxxxxxxxx@bigpond.com.au ;

Sent: Saturday, 10 October 2009 10:38 AM

Subject:xxxxxxxxxxxxxx NSW apology

I have copied this email to others like you did when you answered the ANZMI website without consultation to me prior to putting pen to paper and they have my permission if they need to reprint and distribute.

I wrote to you on the 11th September, and you replied on the 15th September, 2009 that you had sent all relevant paperwork to ANZMI and your "Legal representatives" I have had no correspondence from any party on your behalf to date.

You advised that what you wrote to others was factual and correct , which I advised you was incorrect. you have made no intention of withdrawing these remarks as per your email of the 15th September, 2009

I have made a record of interview with the appropriate authorities and shown them all the relevant paperwork which they find very interesting with regard to your comments, as has been proved to you by my email of the 11th September, 2009.

As I have no need to be interviewed further by any statutory body as to words written by you about me to others and posted on a website and the emails your wrote to others advising them to check out a website and the "Subject of discussion" you had with others about me without my input in November, 2008 at a meeting of the Riverina Vietnam Veterans reunion held in xxxxxxxxx NSW of the weekend in November, 2008 which I was not in attendance.

As you seem that you do not need to apologise to me please advise by the 22nd October, 2009 your "Legal representatives" so I can institute legal proceedings against you for  the remarks and statements you have written.

As you decline to apologise for the inept actions on your behalf you leave me no alternative as you have taken it upon yourself to agree with anonymous persons writings and "VET FROM SYDNEY" lies without checking the facts before putting pen to paper, and by your words you instigated by word of mouth to others.

I am requesting that this email be posted upon any website that others may deem necessary because you wrote without  any checks being made  in support of distorted facts written by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to ANZMI

I would also like it to be known that the person known as xxxxxx  xxxxxx is also know as "xxxxxxxxxx" and because he is known throughout the Riverina area, and resides in XXXXXXXX NSW, and is a supporter of ANZMI if not a member of this websites forum.

xxxxxxx you have till the 22nd October, 2009 to apologise and advise what you were told and read was in fact untrue by the persons whom told these matters to you .

I have nothing to hide my life is an open book, I'm told I'm "uneducated by others on the anzmi website" which you also agreed with because you advised that "they check everything out prior to printing" but can assure you my integrity, self respect, honesty and some of the material was obtained illegally, not as advised that obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

I have also obtained from my old school (private) and my certificates from various government bodies as to my "uneducated" status which will prove that I am not that way inclined.

Jim Patterson

 

15th Sep 2012


 

Update James E Patterson

The Veteran community announces that James E Patterson is the epitome of a despicable liar, fraud and recidivist wannabe.

Despite being comprehensively exposed, he is still pretending to be a Vietnam Veteran to anyone who will listen.

ANZMI tentacles are wide and relentless.

In 2009 Patterson visited London, where he met a genuine USA Vietnam Veteran. Patterson convinced this veteran that he was also Vietnam Veteran.

In September 2012, the USA Veteran wrote to another USA Veteran and subsequently questioned Patterson about the ANZMI exposure he had found.

"and delight we ran into an Australian (James E Patterson) and his wife who were on vacation...during the course of conversation we found out that we were both Vietnam Veterans...he told me that he was well acquainted with the 135thAHC and that he knew some of the Aussies and US pilots...and that he was an engineer with the 30 Terminal Squadron and made several trip trips to Vietnam...we exchanged emails and I promptly lost his in a pile of brochures and just found it the other day...I emailed him and received a warm reply where he told me that he and his wife just returned from a trip to the USA...I looked up his unit for the fun of it and was directed to this link http://www.anzmi.net/patterson/patterson.html

The USA veteran contacted Patterson in September 2012 as shown below:

“Morning Jim...ANZMI...tell me it ain't you, brother”

Patterson responded:

“what is ANZMI mate , if that the site that people send to other people like Facebook and twitter, then believe what you want, have never  heard or read the site”

In September 2012 Patterson further wrote:

“From: Aussisoljer@aol.com

Sorry this web page doesn't open.
(Referring to ANZMI)
Where did you get this site from, as I have spoken to a few mates whom know about this site and they tell me you have to be invited to read what is said. So may I ask whom invited you to this site
 
So I will say this, I don’t lie to people, I’m upfront, I don’t know what is written but can assume it is something to do with my service prior to and after I did trips in service, with Royal Australian Engineers and would of been written by a Christopher Brandon Cramer whom I declined to lie for to be a extra pension if I am right, and also had convictions squashed whilst in the Police service,..
 
I really don’t care my friend, I have a life outside of Internet bullshit and I have copies of all my records of service, which have been certified by Australian Government. Federal police as others have had the same shit written about them and is false
 
As I said I really don’t care what idiots whom write things about others but cannot say face to face to the person, you can be your own judge and jury, those that know me know what I did and that is all that matters to me and the respect I get from them”
 

You can always tell when Patterson is lying because his lips are moving.

Patterson claims to have no knowledge of ANZMI. We have had direct contact with him on numerous occasions.

Patterson deliberately lies about Christopher Brandon Cramer (now deceased) Cramer was a genuine Veteran who helped expose Patterson and despicable untrue accusations against Cramer are all part of Patterson’s evil twisted personality.

Patterson finally says:

those that know me know what I did and that is all that matters to me and the respect I get from them”

The only friends that Patterson has are those, who he still has fooled, like the Australian mob who call themselves “The Mad Galahs” Patterson fits well into that band of misfits, wannabes and conspiracy theorists.

This Patterson update should send the message that wannabes are despised all over the world by veterans of all nationalities.

We will keep a worldwide watch on Patterson until he realizes that any tours he may have had to Vietnam during the war are all dreams. 

6th Oct 2012

Update James Edward Patterson - 6 October 2012

James Edward Patterson has a fervent supporter, in the form of a "civil investigator" and military conspiracy “expert” named Terence Howard Westerway of Sydney, New South Wales.  

Westerway asserts there was a deliberate conspiracy to secretly and illegally send Citizens Military Forces (CMF) personnel to Vietnam, and that James Patterson was one of those secretly sent. 

Westerway was an ill disciplined Gunner (Private soldier) in the Royal Australian Artillery Corps who enlisted in 1964 and was sacked in 1967.

Westerway is a fool’s fool and that is apparent from his incredibly stupid email in support of Patterson.

To this day Patterson insists that he is a Vietnam Veteran. As long as there are fools around like Westerway, Patterson will continue to live a disgusting lie.

Read below what was written by Terence Howard Westerway on 16 Sep 2012 in support of liar, fraud and wannabe James Edward Patterson.

Morning xxx,
 

Irrelevant first paragraph deleted.


But to turn to Jim Patterson - as I understand it, Jim was with the Australian Engineers, as part of the "Small Ships Squadron", who operated a fleet of about 5 LCMs, doing shuttle runs between Australia and Vietnam, bring up supplies - often because the G*d Damned Seaman's Union and Waterside Workers Union (may they rot in Hell) often disrupted supplies to our troops in Vietnam. Most of the Small Ships Squadron was manned by "CMF" (Citizen Military Forces - same, same your National Guard).

To the best of my knowledge few (if any) CMF members on the Small Ships had their trips to Vietnam recorded (possibly because I suspect that it was illegal to deploy CMF troops into a war zone). Accordingly, few (if any) have a paper trail and they are not recorded with the Honours and Awards Directorate (who handle medal awards) as being entitled to wear Vietnam medals. Nevertheless, there were known instances when local commanders handed out medals anyway.

As far as I know, Jim has never sought to receive government disability benefits, so there has been no need to try and prove his visits to Vietnam. But Jim would not be the only one who has no record of Vietnam - there have been instances of even regular/conscript soldiers, sailors and airmen having their service records lost/misplaced/wrongly recorded. Such people seeking to have their service/disability recognized have had to resort to finding men they served with to testify for them. And does DVA (Department of Veterans Affairs) ever put them through the hoops. If Jim has nothing to claim, going through the hoops is a waste of time and effort - and certainly nothing he should have to do to satisfy a bunch of ignorant anonymous bloggers.
 
Of course, if ANZMI had actually carried out a proper investigation and made proper inquiries with members of the Small Ships Squadron and looked at the operations of "Small Ships", they might well have found people to testify on Jim's behalf (asking him for names might have been a good way to go). But, no, like most (if not all) of their "investigations", they are aimed at discrediting people against whom an allegation has been made by carrying out a "desktop investigation". Having had a fairly long history of investigation for legal cases (and having to have my investigations stand up in court) - the "investigations" carried out by ANZMI really rub me up the wrong way.

At this point in time, Jim would be a fool to go to the trouble of finding the evidence needed to prove his case - because ANZMI would simply refuse to accept it. Their own website makes it clear that once they have blogged, the ONLY thing they will accept is an "admission of guilt" and an apology for "lying".

It beats me why people want to be identified as a Vietnam Veteran (I still remember the reception we got when we came home) - but as far as I have seen, most of the "wannabes" claim to have been "special forces" and been involved in all sorts of (heroic) "secret missions" that they cannot talk about. I guess it might have something to do with the "Rambo" movies etc. I have never yet seen any of them who claim to have been anything as low-level as Small Ships, transport, supply etc.

But in the end, it is up to you to decide whether you believe Jim or not.

Terry Westerway

Westerway’s email displays a pathetic ignorance of how the Defence Force operates. Veterans will recognize this, and treat him and Patterson, his wannabe mate, with the contempt they deserve.   

 

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